Were Donald Trump a learned man, he might prophesy those once false to him will grow in falseness. And thus denied sleep with worry, would cry out, “Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown.”
Alas, Donald is not a learned man, with no counsel so wise as King Richard to warn of the treacheries to come.
If so, Mike Pence would prove a lesser threat.
Earl of Warwick: There is a history in all men’s lives,
Figuring the natures of the times deceas’d;
The which observ’d, a man may prophesy,
With a near aim, of the main chance of things
As yet not come to life, who in their seeds
And weak beginning lie intreasured.
Such things become the hatch and brood of time;
And, by the necessary form of this,
King Richard might create a perfect guess
That great Northumberland, then false to him,
Would of that seed grow to a greater falseness;
Which should not find a ground to root upon
Unless on you. –Henry IV, Part 2, Act III, Scene I
Yes, Mike Pence plotted once when times were grim. Would of that seed not grow a greater falseness; which should not find a ground to root, unless on Trump again? Ere he plotted once; he shall plot again.
After the Access Hollywood tape came out on October 7th, 2016, Pence thought he saw an opening to defenestrate the top of the ticket and take it for his own.
It’s been reported that Pence sent Trump a letter saying he needed time to decide whether he could stay with the campaign. But in fact, according to several Republicans familiar with the situation, he wasn’t just thinking about dropping out—he was contemplating a coup. Within hours of The Post’s bombshell, Pence made it clear to the Republican National Committee that he was ready to take Trump’s place as the party’s nominee. Such a move just four weeks before Election Day would have been unprecedented—but the situation seemed dire enough to call for radical action…
…The furtive plotting, several sources told me, was not just an act of political opportunism for Pence. He was genuinely shocked by the Access Hollywood tape. In the short time they’d known each other, Trump had made an effort to convince Pence that—beneath all the made-for-TV bluster and bravado—he was a good-hearted man with faith in God. On the night of the vice-presidential debate, for example, Trump had left a voicemail letting Pence know that he’d just said a prayer for him. The couple was appalled by the video, however. Karen in particular was “disgusted,” says a former campaign aide. “She finds him reprehensible—just totally vile.”
Yet Pence might also have thought he glimpsed something divine in that moment of political upheaval—a parting of the seas, God’s hand reaching down to make his will known. Marc Short told me that in moments of need, Pence turns to a favorite passage in Jeremiah: “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” Short said, “Mike believes strongly in the sovereignty of God, and knowing that the Lord has a plan for him.”
Lacking the normal human allotment of guilt and conscience, Donald Trump probably sleeps right through the rude imperious surge and deafing clamour his waking life leaves in its wake. But he may get a whiff of this morning’s headlines and realize that a pretender still vies for the throne.
Were it not for Lord Manafort, Trump might not have the opportunity to quote the Bard:
O sleep, O gentle sleep,
Nature’s soft nurse, how have I frightened thee,
That thou no more will weigh my eyelids down,
And steep my senses in forgetfulness?
After all, it was Manafort who set this in motion:
Nonetheless, as decision time approached, Trump was leaning toward New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, a fellow bridge-and-tunnel loudmouth with whom he had more natural chemistry. The candidate’s advisers repeatedly warned that the “Bridgegate” fiasco would make Christie a liability in the general election. But they were unable to get through to Trump.
Then, on July 12, a miracle: During a short campaign swing through Indiana, Trump got word that his plane had broken down on the runway, and that he would need to spend the night in Indianapolis. With nowhere else to go, Trump accepted an invitation to dine with the Pences.
In fact, according to two former Trump aides, there was no problem with the plane. Paul Manafort, who was then serving as the campaign’s chairman, had made up the story to keep the candidate in town an extra day and allow him to be wooed by Pence. The gambit worked: Three days later, Trump announced Pence as his running mate.
From such a weak beginning lied intreasured such things become the hatch and brood of time. So, now, awakened, King Donald says:
Then you perceive the body of our kingdom
How foul it is; what rank diseases grow,
And with what danger, near the heart of it.
Whether the president fires Mueller or not, Mike Pence is waiting in the wings believing in the sovereignty of God, and knowing that the Lord has a plan for him.
“Pence” is such a Shakespearean-sounding name too.
“Lord Pence awaits you in the anteroom.”
“What? Oil-tongu’d Pence? I’ll speak to him anon.”
“He vexes me!”
Mercifully monosyllabic, albeit methinks too balanced in meter.
What pisses me off is when people say, “Pence is even worse!” (Meaning, no, don’t impeach Trump, because then we’ll have Pence).
Because, it doesn’t work that way. If Trump needs to be impeached, then he needs to be impeached. You don’t pick and choose which outcome you’d prefer. It’s a lawlessness question, not a political question. Let the other side behave that way.
(At this point someone always points out that impeachment is intrinsically political or some such. It’s not — it’s chronically political; that’s not the same thing.)
What is your non-political path to impeachment?
Impeach Trump because he’s guilty of impeachable offenses (or, it’s reasonably certain that he is). Impeach Nixon, same remarks — although his resignation forstalled that. Don’t impeach Clinton because it’s a bogus political witch-hunt.
If impeaching Trump so he leaves office brings us President Pence, too bad.
If the Republicans in congress resist impeaching Trump because a legislative agenda is more important that the rule of law (in direct violation of their actions and stated beliefs under Clinton — all that grandstanding about “impropriety” and “honesty” etc. — then, shame on them. It’s an un-American position.
In case I wasn’t clear: impeaching Trump is a necessity because he’s an affront to our legal norms. It has nothing to do with policy. I hated George W. Bush with a passion but I never once advocated his impeachment, because impeachment isn’t supposed to be a political weapon. (The republicans weaponized it that way under Clinton, and are doing so now, by neglecting their duty to call for Trump’s impeachment…but, again, shame on them. It’s disgraceful and must be condemned.)
I wish legal norms governed the impeachment process. But as you are well-aware, the process is controlled by the legislative branch and so political calculations, not legal norms, are of paramount importance. If the process were controlled by the judicial branch (eg. trial in the supreme court) then legal norms might come to the fore. That would be an improvement in my opinion (although there could be unintended consequences of such a change).
Republican political norms are increasingly at odds with legal norms; Trump has accelerated the divergence. The system is supposed to self-correct in that this should eventually lead to a backlash at the polls, but 30% or more of the population seems to actually like having a crooked autocrat in charge of the executive branch. I wish I could be more hopeful that a backlash is in the cards.
It is a conundrum most vexing. Whilst the Pensive one wouldst be of vast more comfort to the lords and ladies of the Salons of the lower Potomac, he also surely lacks that common’st touch which endears the Lord of Oranges to his most base base. Wouldst they be of such good cheer to have Sir Pence, even where he to vow to continue stigginit to the vile Liberals? Yea, even to stick them to the Great Wall? No, I think not.
/no iambic pentameter, sorry
One has to wonder at the Pence strategists that perhaps surround him. He’s been such a quiet VP, doing nothing all that explosively Trump like. He even went to Santa Rosa, CA to lend a caring ear to the wildfire victims, even while Trump was trashing the state.
He’s done close to nothing controversial, the public eye might even ask ‘how could anyone so milquetoast pose a danger?’ And yet, of course, he will continue Trump & the Rep carnage if he falls into the role of President.
Part of this low visibility is because recent Republican VPs typically haven’t had portfolios the way that Gore and Biden had (I don’t count Cheney because he actually ran the Presidency in many ways because Bush was so lazy and incompetent). So, it’s partly a matter of contrast to Democratic VPs. In addition, based on his time as governor, Pence is pretty dimwitted and mainly focused on the culture wars. Can’t imagine him addressing complex issues like regulatory reform, health, energy or foreign affairs the ways that Gore, Cheney and Biden did.
Finally, it will come out that Pence was involved in the Russia affair, perhaps not doing the campaign but certainly during the transition. He’s damaged goods even if he survives a Trump resignation.
I particularly like Pence’s perception that it will be his god given destiny. Is it time to remind him, be careful what you wish for?
Love it!
Everyone else needs to pack up their shit and go home. You’ve won the internet for the rest of 2017.
So. Pence. Assume impeachment. More reliable with the nuclear football or –with evangelical apocalyptic leanings– even worse?
I am not that concerned about Trump and that kind of
war. He’s too much of a coward to put his personal safety at any kind of risk. He might be under the thumb of a foreign power, and his incompetence might create a situation where somebody might challenge him, that I could see.
Pence is an enigma to me. Religious fanatics scare me – if he is one.
I am not tremendously concerned either, I think Trump would be ignored if he ordered a first strike. But Booman has said over and over again this is a huge issue for HIM.
Booman asks:
Trump sleeps no less well, because he considers himself immortal.
Unchallengeable.
Beyond the scope of possible defeat.
This is both his strength and his ultimate flaw.
It’s gotten him this far, and it will be the reason for his final defeat.
Watch.
AG
“Watch” what?
Watch what!!!???
“Watch what happens”, of course.
Trump is eventually going to be hung by his own little petard.
Sincerely…
AG
P.S. Whadda buncha literalist, humorless maroons most of you leftinesses are!!!
MUCH later…
AG
You are nothing if not predictable.
Thank you for being so childishly self-absorbed that, even after all this time and all these critiques, you still can’t distinguish me from the crowd here. I love it when you live up to your solipsistic, narcissistic reputation…you can’t help it; it’s autonomic.
Riiight…
You thought your little post was funny.
I got it.
I thought it was just lame.
AG
P.S. I know “who” you are, here JO. You’re just another kneejerker with a little better vocabulary than most of the others.
So what.
“and weak beginning lie entreasured”
The magnificence of Shakespeare captured in a single line. Today’s spellcheck objects, o foolish thing.
It is, however, a bit difficult to see the dimwit Pence as one of Shakspeare’s overwhelming tragic villains. No charisma in Mediocre Mike, that’s for sure. Could he really pull off the role of Brutus? I suppose he has the self-righteousness…but can a seeming simpleton conceal a Cassius?
Verily, he seems more one of the comic butts, ala Bottom or Dogberry, whose absurd plans oft miscarry. Or perhaps Pence best aligns with the puritanical drudge Malvolio, both of whom are convinced that “because thou art virtuous there shall be no more cakes and ale”.
One does have to wonder how the wooden Indiana Puritan was able to charm the pagan Manhattan Crime Boss at a single contrived dinner, but it certainly seems Trumper I is a gluttonous illegitimate monarch whose courtiers can easily deceive him. Thusly: “thy plane hath most untimely, um,…broke down, Milord”. Really? Jesus…
Wait a minute. Pence was Manafort’s chosen one?
Isn’t that by itself cause for alarm?
Yep – that should raise all sorts of red flags.
That is why Pence will be last one Mueller interviews.
Whether Trump is looking over his shoulder at Pence may not matter. If Mueller indicts Trump, an indictment for Pence may not be far behind.
Or even ahead of Trump, if Mueller works his way methodically up the chain.
After a long day slaving in the trenches of public education, it is heartening to see that the classics, and satire, are not dead.
Even when I disagree with all of you, the folks on this site remain a source of hope.
Thanks for the laughs – now on to the latest bits of news. Hey, buddy, I’ll take my constitutional crisis on the rocks, please, with a twist of Intifada and a dash of Asian Nuclear Armageddon. Thanks!
My, my, the bartender in this place is awfully… orange.
potential of inflicting greater evil) than a religious rightwingnut convinced that God’s on his side?
Yeh — one such with nukes.
pushing back a bit on that:
There’ve been humans with control over nukes for 7+ decades now, and so far cooler heads have prevailed. We haven’t so far managed to annihilate ourselves (arguably deserved), taking many more completely innocent species with us in the process.
So, yeah, control of nukes boosts “potential of inflicting greater evil” beyond what it would otherwise be. But my thesis is that it’s the “religious rightwingnut convinced that God’s on his side” that amplifies that threat orders of magnitude, not access to nukes per se.
Oh, I agree with you on the prime source of the danger being the fanaticism, yes, indeed, I do.
I just shudder to contemplate, say, a modern-day Savonarola with control of the launch codes.
Well done. But the bird in Trump’s chamber tweets at 3.
Trump almost didn’t choose ’embarrassingly poor’ Pence as VP
By now Pence should be welcome in rich fests of joking (like this, of 2004)