When I saw this, it really made me stop and think:
A new Gallup poll finds that 64% of Americans believe the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision on abortion should stand, while 28% would like to see it overturned.
“Partisans’ opinions are sharply polarized, with 81% of Democrats, 70% of independents and 41% of Republicans saying they do not want Roe v. Wade overturned. In contrast, 51% of Republicans, 22% of independents and 13% of Democrats want it reversed.”
Does the Republican Party act like forty-one percent of their voters would like to preserve the Roe v. Wade ruling? Do Republican senators show any real division over the issue when it comes time to make decisions about who should be nominated for or confirmed to the federal judgeships?
Abortion rights aren’t the only only issue where we see a disconnect like this. Background checks for gun purchases is another example where the party seems to blithely ignore divided opinion within their own base of voters. It’s a strange phenomenon that I don’t see paralleled to the same degree on the left. There used to be a decent number of pro-union Republicans. Even Rick Santorum did okay with the unions at the beginning of his career. There used to be some strong environmentalists in the GOP. They used to have more than a tiny handful of pro-choice representatives, especially at the local level. That seems to gone away, beginning in earnest during the presidency of George W. Bush.
The Democrats have undergone some corresponding changes, like the decimation of the Blue Dog caucus and the demise of the Democratic Leadership Council. But they still have anti-choice members in both the House and Senate, as well as locally. They still have both free traders and hardline opponents of free trade. They still have gun rights absolutists, although their ranks have diminished more in response to mass shootings than to electoral defeat or primary challengers. They still have deficit hawks willing to take a bite out of people’s earned entitlements. The Democrats have the same kind of diversity of opinion within their voting bases as the Republicans have, but with the difference that their elected officials do a much better job of reflecting those divisions.
On Roe, the Republicans are on the cusp of catching the car they’ve been chasing all these years. When they catch it, it appears that more than four out of ten of their voters will be displeased. That’s a recipe for a major crack-up of their coalition. But there’s no real sense of caution or foreboding or regret that I can sense. There’s more a feeling of euphoria.
When the Democrats pursue policies that anywhere close to sixty-four percent of the people oppose or nearly half of their own voters disagree with, we see instant signs of distress. The concern trolls come out in force predicting political catastrophe. We saw this even with the effort to pass Obamacare, which was a project even more long-lasting and dear to the heart of the Democratic base than the overturning of Roe v. Wade has been to the conservative movement. It should be noted, however, that predictions of electoral catastrophe proved correct, all the way down to races in unincorporated hamlets.
It’s not strange that the Republicans would pursue a goal that is unpopular and could invite a backlash from the broader public. It’s strange that they’re willing and able to pursue that type of goal when when more than forty percent of their own supporters oppose it.
It’s a bizarre kind of discipline, and I think the explanation is related to other things we’ve seen like the sudden rise of climate science denialism in the aftermath of John McCain’s failed presidential bid or the abrupt change of opinion about the character of Vladimir Putin in the aftermath of Trump’s victory. There’s a much larger sense of team loyalty on the right, so that things are supported because they anger the left or simply because they are being proposed by the right.
When forty-one percent of Republicans don’t want to see Roe overturned, it should not be possible for a Supreme Court Justice who will do just that to be confirmed. But they’ll support Kavanaugh to the bloody end because he’s their president’s nominee and it pisses off the libs.
Any sensible political strategist on the right would warn that the eventual backlash will tear the party down to the studs, but as long as it remains strictly theoretical there’s barely a blip of warning or dissent.
Abortion is merrily a campaign issue,They will never get rid of it
Someone better tell this to Roberts’ Repubs….
Does that 41% of Republican voters act like THEY would like the party to preserve the Roe v. Wade ruling? No, they don’t. They vote for the Repub clown no matter what, and they get rightwing extremism. (Or presumably they “care” about abortion rights, just not very much.)
The Repub candidates now uniformly inveigh against abortion because they “must” in order to win (or avoid) a primary. And the supposed “moderate” Repub voters then refuse to vote for the Dem candidate no matter how great the damage the “conservative” Repub extremists implement.
First, gub’mint solvency must be destroyed. Then the 11,000 year old stable climate. Now abortion rights. Soon Medicare/SS. Apparently some Repub voters don’t like it. But you’d never know it from their behavior in the voting booth. There it’s “Jawohl, lockstep!”
As citizens they are abject failures, and nothing can ever be expected from them.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the 41% not really caring that much about abortion rights.
Given the social-demographic make up of the party, this 41% is probably largely self-segregated, white, middle-, upper-middle, and upper-class who are confident they’ll always have access to safe abortion services if really needed regardless of the law….because money and White Privilege.
The rest of the party’s anti-abortion vote has gotten that 41% massive tax cuts, deregulation, “tort” reform, a pro-corporate judiciary, neutered white collar crime enforcement, etc. So why oppose the other half of the party for such a minor issue for them?
Yes, this is a classic in political science. There is a substantial group of people for whom the abortion question is 100% dispositive — it absolutely determines who they will vote for regardless of other issues. Most people who say they favor abortion rights or retaining Roe v. Wade aren’t nearly as committed. It’s the same with gun nuts. The majority in both cases is a more “diffuse” interest, as they say.
That said, one reason that being pro-choice hasn’t had as much clout in election as being anti-abortion is precisely because of Roe v. Wade. Politicians could say they think abortion is icky, and pro-choice voters would let them get away with it because they figured it didn’t really matter. That may change if Roe is overturned.
When Roe v Wade is overturned, the anti-abortionists will then move on to making it illegal across the US, and prosecuting women returning from outside the US who have apparently procured abortions, like Ireland did.
Their moral position on this leaves them little choice but to continue. That’s my prediction.
They already tipped their hand to what is next during Bush’s first term when they started in on trying to outlaw most female contraception.
They consider most abortifacients and claim the women who take them are killing a baby every month.
They will go after contraception. The pill, IUD, morning after pill and In-Vitro to prevent gay couples from having children. That is what will tear the GOP apart.
When I was in college I believe abortion was illegal everywhere and birth control was also illegal in two states. Very hard to get in many others.
Griswold v Connecticut decided in 1965 made birth control legal.
From the Planned Parenthood website “When the birth control pill came onto the market in 1960, it was a dream come true for anyone wanting to control her own reproduction. But in 30 states it was illegal to advertise contraception, and in two states, Massachusetts and Connecticut, it was outright banned.”
“Griswold v. Connecticut was a landmark case in expanding contraception access — but it was only a first step. In restricting its ruling to married couples, the Supreme Court perpetuated the idea that birth control was only appropriate within the confines of marriage, either ignoring the fact that unmarried people can be at risk for pregnancy, or not wishing to grant the privileges of reliable contraception to those who engage in premarital sex. It wasn’t until 1972 that the Supreme Court ruled that unmarried people, too, had an equal claim to birth control, in Eisenstadt v. Baird.”
Abortion is somewhat similar to slavery, in the sense that one group of people want to have the legal ability to determine what another group of people can and cannot do.
What you’re describing is similar to a fugitive slave act, only for abortion. I totally agree that if/when abortion is no longer considered a constitutionally protected right, the states that outlaw it will also attempt to punish its own citizens who attempt to cross state lines to get an abortion. Because of course that’s the next step.
This really is just another reinforcement that the GOP is not operating under the normal rules of a political party, they are functioning more like a political cult. And those who don’t willingly drink the kool aid know that they are surrounded by loyal cultists who are more than happy to forcibly hold them down and pour it down their throats. So while they might have actual opinions which differ from the cult’s political gospel, they are not ready to put themselves in a position where it becomes obvious to those full-fledged cult members who surround them that they have some misgivings about willingly swallowing the poison everyone else is so happily gulping down.
This all bears a striking similarity to the thought processes we learned went on in Jonestown, Guyana. In the end, a few came to their senses. And when they saw an opportunity, they fled into the woods, and to safety. Some didn’t quite make it to the treeline, and took a bullet in the back. Others fought for their lives when they realized they were going to be forced to drink the poison, but most willingly and enthusiastically drank the death potion. In the end, it was a zero sum game; they were ALL DEAD. And it didn’t matter if you fought, tried to run, or happily took your deadly dose. The result was all the same.
We’ve probably got 1/4 of the US population that craves an authoritarian state, and another 1/4 that wouldn’t object too strongly. They vote Republican, and they’ve not only given us a wannabe dictator as president, they’ve also given us a Congress led by people with little respect for the principle of democratic governance.
As a CA resident, a male, and someone with a partner past menopause, I have no business saying this … but:
If we can’t stop them from overturning Roe v. Wade, and they do, and abortion is outlawed in 22 red states, how long will those states stay red? Seriously, that would go well beyond the old “dog catching the car” analogy – more like the dog catching the Bengal tiger. Fare thee well, Fido, fare thee well.
It would ruin a lot of lives, which of course is why I hope they’re somehow blocked from overturning it, but the consequences for the right would be something to behold.
I keep saying “if 90% would turn out to vote …” but if 90% of women turned out to vote that would be exponentially better. That look Elizabeth Moss gets in Handmaid’s Tale? That ominous, quietly boiling rage? I can’t help but imagine that look on the face of the electorate.
We’re already seen what they’d do with the games they have recently played with FEMA funding for “blue” states along with totally ignoring Puerto Rico.
If they catch the car they’ll still have the abortion boogie man in 28 states. So when Republicans are in power at the Federal level they’d probably just turn to punishing those states by linking outlawing abortion requirements to Medicare or even highway funding.
Outlawing women from crossing state lines to get an abortion, and making it a crime to do so.
. . . but not seen any of the teevee series adapted from it, I’m just gonna guess from your comment that Moss plays Offred? Or if not, then Moira? But then, who knows what liberties they may have taken with the material to make teevee from it?
(Thinking of Peter Jackson’s steadily increasing detours from the Tolkien source material, from approximate faithfulness, mostly, in LOTR to increasingly wildly just making up shit out of his head to squeeze 3 movies out of The Hobbit, the third of which I just refused to see after how bad that had gotten in the second.)
The GOP has promised the Christians that they would repeal Roe and if they don’t keep the promise they will loose half of their support at the polls.
GOP is toast on this point. We should taunt them into repealing it as soon as possible.