Individual Republican congresspeople have seen what has happened to the political careers of people like Rep. Mark Sanford and Sens. Bob Corker and Jeff Flake who have tried to stand up to the president. They don’t want to be next. But, collectively, the party needs to have a strategy for how to deal with a rogue president who commits felonies and (as we saw in Helsinki) is clearly compromised by an adversarial foreign power. The problem is pretty simple to understand. While congressional Republicans are bound to their president, Republican voters are not. They can walk away from the party, leaving behind only strong Trump supporters.
In most of suburban America, this has already turned into a kind of Holocaust for country club Republicans. Fewer and fewer college educated professionals (especially women) are willing to self-identify as supporters of the GOP, and it’s not possible for Republican candidates to hold these seats based on fire-breathing opponents of immigration.
The very fact that Trump dominated the Republican primaries showed how marginalized college educated people have become in the Republican Party, but the process has only continued since Trump has been in office. The typical Trump supporter had complete disdain for all Trump’s establishmentarian rivals for the nomination, and that contempt extended (and extends) to the Republican leadership in Congress. They have never liked Mitch McConnell and they especially hate Paul Ryan for abandoning Trump after the Access Hollywood tape came out. They don’t support Republicans in Washington except in the very limited sense that they rely on them to protect the president and enact his agenda. This is why the Republicans want to use the threat of impeachment as a motivational tool, because Trump’s voters might turn out to deal with that threat but they’re not reliably going to turn out to support a congressperson or senator that they don’t even like.
From the Republicans’ perspective, accountability for the president isn’t a priority because Trump supporters do not care about his crimes, and they need Trump’s supporters to come out to vote in November. Even so, they realize that they have a big problem:
Republican strategist Josh Holmes, who advises Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), attempted to downplay the political cost of the convictions.
“I don’t think it’s the atomic bomb that others have suggested,” he said. “I don’t think anybody who is a Trump supporter has been sitting around for the past six months banking their support on the president’s denial of his relationship with Stormy Daniels.”
Holmes said he feared, though, that Trump could lose much-needed votes in suburban swing districts.
They hope the prospect of impeachment will help turnout, but they have a backup plan to mobilize Trump’s base.
Republican candidates are joining the White House’s campaign to offer public support for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), warn of the dangers of the Salvadoran MS-13 gang and highlight sensational crimes involving undocumented immigrants.
The aim is to draw a sharp contrast with Democrats over enforcement of border control laws. Republican strategists view immigration as a deeply emotional issue that motivates the conservative base, and they have delighted as liberals push Democrats to the left as a reaction to Trump’s presidency.
“It’s a galvanizing issue among the base,” said Josh Holmes, a top political adviser for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who previously served as his chief of staff. “The Democrats have increasingly migrated to a place on this issue far from where your everyday American is. The contrast is mind-boggling.”
The Democrats’ strategists aren’t stupid. They understand the Republicans’ two-part strategy for boosting turnout and they’re wary about doing their job for them. That’s why they’re tamping down talk of impeachment and discouraging talk about abolishing ICE. They also realize that the Republican donor base is largely satisfied with Trump’s policies and will stick with him up to a point. Of course, they’d be just as happy with Mike Pence, so Trump shouldn’t bank on their loyalty if things get truly dicey.
Of course, if the Democrats don’t show enough principle and fight, they may depress their own turnout, but it does seem sensible to take a wait-and-see approach to any discussion of impeachment. There is no harm in waiting for the evidence before making sweeping promises to the voters.
The one thing I don’t think is helpful is to continuously talk about how the Republicans in the Senate will never convict Trump even if the House impeaches him with the support of the American people. They will certainly be reluctant to do so for all the reasons I’ve already suggested, but it will really come down to the facts of the case.
If Trump is proven to have actively coordinated with the Russians despite all his denials, and if the people who were responsible for this are willing to attest to what they did, then Mike Pence is going to look like a very attractive option. To be honest, Pence is much better liked and a better ideological fit for congressional Republicans than Trump. The reason they stick with Trump is because their own ineptitude weakened them so much that Trump was able to take over their party, and now they can’t win without his supporters. They’re caught in a vice.
In the end, after they’ve taken their losses despite sticking with Trump, the remaining senators are not going to be eager to go into 2020 with Trump as their champion. Since they don’t like or trust him anyway, if they can’t win with or without him, it’ll be far preferable to lose without him. There is a limit to how much shit they will eat to defend a man like Trump, and if the evidence comes in and it’s strong enough, there will be enough Republican senators who will choose removal over arguing that Trump should remain in office despite having done what he was accused of doing and then lying about it for two years.
Of course, they still won’t want to have to vote on it, so they’ll do what Barry Goldwater did in 1974 and go tell the president that he should resign.
All of this, of course, depends on the strength of the evidence. If close coordination with the Russians isn’t proved then there is almost no limit to how many crimes and outrages Trump can commit without worrying that the Senate will convict him. The GOP proves this anew almost every single day, including in their reaction to the Manafort and Cohen stories.
I genuinely don’t understand the centering of the Republican base, and the erasure of the Democratic base, in both parties’ calculations.
Is this an artifact of systemic Republican advantages in the way districts are drawn, and the way voting is repressed, and such? Or is it just our way of kowtowing to the color-commentators in the press, and the Very Serious People in Democratic Party?
It seems pretty straightforward to me. Talk of impeachment won’t motivate anti-Trumpers any more than they already are motivated, while talking about actual policy goals prove the Dems stand for more than just opposition to Trump.
That’s not entirely the question, but I’m not sure you’re right that talk of impeachment won’t motivate anti-Trumpers and I’m really not sure if refusing to talk about it won’t depress them.
I’m double really am sure that talking about actually pragmatic policy goals will prove oh god kill me now please no anything but the high road of intelligent mature details discussions that worked so well for Kerry and Clinton with white papers and check the website for details you’re making me cry, the end.
In actuality the Democrats are focusing on neither impeachment talk which could rile up the opposing base nor on policy goals which could be wonked to death but on corruption and good government issues which rile up the base big time without giving the Republicans something to work on.
Plus, frankly, I see “we’ll consider the evidence Mueller provides” to be a dogwhistle. Damn straight they will impeach Trump if they can either a) usefully remove him from office or b) gain a big political bonus from a Senate acquittal! I know it, you know it – why do we need the media to tell Republican voters? The Republicans have gotten enormous mileage from dogwhistling over the decades, and I think it’s time we did too.
I agree. I think it is very wrong to equate Democratic and GOP voters, especially the bases of both parties. The Democratic base is overwhelmingly informed and pretty consistent on policies. The whole Bernie voters vs. Hillary voters really reflected the inability of Democrats to implement progressive policies since they only controlled Congress for 2 years and even then were confronted by a radical rightwing GOP opposition.
The GOP base, by contrast, is largely a bunch of racist, willingly uninformed and xenophobic voters who love authoritarians. Vastly different voters with vastly different motivational impulses.
The left-leaning or right-leaning voters among the so-called Independents are the ones up for grabs in this election not the bases of either party.
That is a tough one.
Because there are definitely districts and States where impeachment and abolish ICE would motivate the Democratic vote.
BUT, Republic’s systematic advantage is their nationalized propaganda network that can turn their slavishly listening/viewing base voters on a dime with(see: “I have economic anxiety!” and “I did it for the judges!” lies) and their base voters are racists willing to accept levels of survival as long as the government is hurting brown people worse than its hurting them.
Republican strategists are betting “Immigration!” will have the same national mobilizing effect “ABORTION!” had in the 90’s and “GAYS!” had in the 00’s.
“Abolish ICE” is flimsy as hell. Does that mean abolish the agency known as ICE and reassign their employees to CBP and INS, where many of them were working previously? Or does that mean abolish all border control whatever? Something that no country in the history of nations has ever done? Its a flimsy premise and little more than a buzzword.
That’s why Democrats aren’t pushing it. And I question the motivations of some of those who are.
Yes. It means ‘abolish the agency and reassign the employees.’
No, it doesn’t mean ‘abolish all border control and those football players hate the troops.’
But even this isn’t true regarding enforcement of borders. Borders being “enforced” a la nation state isn’t that old, and criminalizing illegal border crossings dates to early 20th century US.
Behind the Criminal Immigration Law: Eugenics and White Supremacy
How can you reform ICE if they don’t even follow the law as it is when they were “reformed” in 2013?
ICE’s Illegal Abuse of Teenagers Proves the Agency Is Beyond Reform
I may be wrong, but while those issues are important, I don’t think they top the list in most districts. There’s only so much time left before the election, you have to spend it wisely.
I think it is the former. In order to win the House, Democrats have to win seats in districts that voted for Trump. They won’t, unless they can convince Trump voters to stay home or switch. The assumption is that the Democratic base will turn out in droves whether or not Dems talk about abolishing ICE or impeachment.
There are Republicans who see the corruption and bullshit. They want to see a check on Trump but impeachment, ICE and Nancy Pelosi is a leap too far. We have to give Dems in the battleground districts the space to wave those issues away.
My opinion, anyway.
PS I don’t get the “Dems need to do more than oppose Trump” claim. Bullshit, I say. It is a midterm. There is zero need for a national message beyond “Trump is the most corrupt president in history.” Let the local candidates say whatever they have to say to win.
Well, now key Senators are signaling that Trump can go ahead and fire Sessions after the midterms. Since the whole point of firing Sessions would be to derail the Mueller investigation, this does not bode well, nor does it support the notion that the Senators will remove Trump if the evidence is clear-cut.
They won’t save Trump, but they will pull out every stop to save the Republican Party.
Grassley and Graham are just the advance guard on this.
Firing Mueller is pointless since another “Mueller” will take his place. And another and another and another. It pleases the Ignoramus King to be able to chop off the head of his imagined enemy but we are way too far along the evidence line for that to have any impact except a whiplash against the Congressional GOP (as well as Trump, of course).
At this point, Trump is so deeply in trouble that firing Sessions (a good thing but not for reasons he thinks) and then Mueller will have no positive benefit for him.
(Also, it wouldn’t surprise me if, in the event Mueller brought an actual criminal indictment against Trump, Rosenstein would agree to prosecute the President. If only to force his resignation.)
I’m not assuming that Pence won’t be swept up in a large-scale purge of traitors and crooks that ultimately includes Trump. Pence was Manafort’s pick, after all, and he ran the transition, which was rife with criminality just like the campaign. He has kept quiet for the most part, but when he’s spoken up here and there he’s either outright lied or has outdone everyone else on the planet in his slobbering, servile obedience to Trump.
While we are eating into the Republican base, they are also eating into ours. Black support of Trump now at 36%, according to Rasmussen, more than a fourfold increase since the election. OK, that’s Rasmussen, but even the NAACP has him at 21%, as opposed to 8% last election. No one I know has even been registering this, much less working out the implications. How much this translates to greater Republican support, I don’t know.
https:/www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/16/trump-approval-rating-african-ame
ricans-rasmussen-poll/1013212002
The Washington Post now has a story disputing this, pointing to several other polls with much lower numbers than Rasmussen. Lower than the NAACP too, which is unexpected.
https:/www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/08/17/no-one-third-of-african-americans-dont
-support-trump-not-even-close?noredirect=on&utm_term=.16c06f604e1e
For example, Gallup has interviewed thousands of African American respondents in 2018. Its polling suggests that Trump’s black approval rating has consistently been around 10 to 15 percent through 2018.
The same is true in polling by Ipsos/Reuters:
Similarly, the polling firm Civiqs, which has interviewed more than 140,000 respondents in 2017 and 2018 suggests that Trump’s black approval rating has consistently been in the single-digits throughout his presidency:
Similarly, Trump’s average approval rating among African American respondents in seven YouGov/Economist surveys conducted in July and August was 13 percent. His average approval rating among African Americans in four Quinnipiac University surveys conducted over the past two months was just 9 percent.
These data remind us to be skeptical of outlier polls — especially when those results fly in the face of what we already know about African Americans’ weak support for Republican presidents in general and their strong disapproval of Donald Trump in particular.
Michael Tesler is associate professor of political science at the University of California at Irvine, author of “Post-Racial or Most-Racial? Race and Politics in the Obama Era,” and co-author of the forthcoming book, “Identity Crisis: The 2016 Presidential Campaign and the Battle for the Meaning of America.”
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Thanks for composing this rebuttal to the (pretty insane looking) numbers of 24% support for Trump from AA.
If Trump gets more than 10% of the African American vote in 2020 then America is truly beyond saving. Did they miss the Trump supporters carrying tiki torches? Those torches are coming for them.
And no, Trump is never going to be convicted by the Senate. When 2020 comes around, he will be 50/50 to win.
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In 2016, Clinton received 92% of the AA vote, Trump got 5-6% (black women were negligible to his totals, but his floor is 5%). That would mean he’d need to double his 2016 numbers. These are polls so there’s uncertainty compared with verified voters.
I find it mildly amazing that people blithely assume that this monster will even be around as President in 2020 much less that he will be a viable GOP candidate then.
He will be 74 years old, in poor physical health, in a state of pretty serious dementia and facing massive public opposition. The economy will almost certainly be in a downturn at that point.
I don’t see him being a triumphantly re-elected President at all. The numbers don’t add up at all.
My understanding is that Trump’s gender split among African-Americans is particularly high. Most polls show support from AA women continuing in the low single digit percentages, while AA support with men drifts into low double digit percentages sometimes.
He got 0-1% of AA women, 14% of AA men. As I cited above, it adds up to 5-6% of AA vote total.
Misogyny, it’s a helluva drug.
We’re so far out into the unknown that it’s really hard to predict how things will shake out from here.
I wasn’t alive for Nixon, so I don’t know the context of his times very well. However, Trump isn’t really behaving like a democratically elected ruler. He’s acting like a monarch; he does not respect democratic institutions, the rule of law, nor even national sovereignty. At the end of the day, we will see that last one borne out when the defense strategy switches to.. “why wouldn’t we work with the Russians?”.
I think he’ll be forced out, but these are strange times. Who knows?
Please do not use the term “Holocaust” in this way, and especially if you are going to capitalize it like that. Sheesh.
Why would they walk away? He’s demolishing the regulatory state, he’s packing the courts as fast as he can with reactionaries, he signed the tax cut laws, he’ll gladly sign the solemn “We must bomb Social Security and Medicare To Save Our Country From Deficits Act” into law sure to come (no matter who is running Congress, because no one THEY know really needs either one of them) , he’s turning the government into a haven for theocratic white supremacists.
They’re about to get a Supreme Court that will essentially hand the GOP undisputed control over the country by killing the feeble remnants of the Civil Rights act.
Why the HELL would they stop now? He’s doing everything the GOP has stood for since Reagan. They don’t NEED popular support to rule, they have gerrymandering.
“Never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself.” — Napoleon.
Democrats don’t have to do anything and shouldn’t do anything. Why on earth would turnout be “depressed” if Democrats avoid talking about impeachment? It’s already a done deal! And by election time, it will be blindingly obvious to the American people that Trump is going to have to go. Democrats can just wait for the evidence to pile up to the moon.
The President’s own lawyer has publicly called him “criminal Trump”, insisting he would not accept a pardon from Trump after pleading guilty to election law felonies, and after implicating the President directly, suggested that Cohen would like to talk with the Special Prosecutor.
Add another criminal trial in state court for Manafort and Trump cannot save him from life in prison – since he will be facing state law, not federal felonies, and Trump cannot pardon anybody for state law offenses.
So, his only hope of ever seeing the outside of a jail cell will be to cooperate with prosecutors and ask for leniency.
And this is only the beginning, since Omaroso has God knows what on tape of Trump saying all kinds of things.
Apparently Trump’s inner circle was as addicted to taping him secretly as Nixon was. So, the prosecutors have lots and lots of evidence right from Trump’s own mouth to go to, and all of it will ultimately be released to Congress. It won’t be held secret since Trump is immune from criminal prosecution, and if the referral is for impeachment, Mueller will have to back up his claims with solid evidence.
And the best possible evidence will be language right out of Trump’s own mouth. And release the tapes so the media can play them over and over, just like in the Watergate Scandal, and Trump can’t block them.
Frankly, if I were Trump at this point, I’d fire Mueller immediately regardless of anything. The firestorm would be far better than what will happen to him when all the evidence comes out! His only chance is to just “damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!”
Fire Mueller, destroy all the evidence and dare anybody to do anything about it. Yes it would make him even more toxic, but his base would undoubtedly applaud, and laugh at liberals anger.
They love that stuff. The more outraged the traditional media and liberals are, the better they like it. If Trump would pull down his pants and rape Rachel Maddow on national TV they would cheer like Banshees.
And there are just enough of these arthropods in enough rural districts that they may still just pull it off!
The GOP has already done this once before you know!
After the 1920 Census, Republicans were horrified to discover that there had been a massive population migration from rural areas (where Republicans dominated as they do today) to cities (where Democrats were strong then and are strong today).
So, they just decided not to re-apportion Congress based on the 1920 census. For 10 years! They just refused. Finally, realizing that you can’t just ignore what was going on forever, they grudgingly allowed the 1930 census to become the basis for a new apportionment of Congress in time for the 1932 election. Twelve years later!
Nothing has changed in 100 years in their complete contempt for Democracy.