Many of Donald Trump’s crimes have been committed in plain sight, like his fraudulent Trump University and his naked efforts to obstruct the Russia investigation. He famously bragged about sexually assaulting women. But until now there hasn’t been a whiff of murder in his past.
Trump couldn’t be more obvious about the fact that he does not want the world to conclude that the Saudi government sent a kill team to Istanbul to torture and chop up an American resident who was simply visiting their consulate to obtain papers he needed to get married.
His killers were waiting when Jamal Khashoggi walked into the Saudi consulate in Istanbul two weeks ago. They severed his fingers and later beheaded and dismembered him, according to details from audio recordings described by a senior Turkish official on Wednesday.
Mr. Khashoggi was dead within minutes, and within two hours the killers were gone, the recordings suggested…
…A team of 15 Saudi agents, some with ties to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, was waiting for Mr. Khashoggi inside the Saudi consulate the moment he arrived, at about 1:15 p.m. on Oct. 2.
After he was shown into the office of the Saudi consul, Mohammad al-Otaibi, the agents seized Mr. Khashoggi almost immediately and began to beat and torture him, eventually cutting off his fingers, the senior Turkish official said.
“Do this outside. You will put me in trouble,” Mr. al-Otaibi, the consul, told them, according to the Turkish official and a report in the Turkish newspaper Yeni Safak, both citing audio recordings said to have been obtained by Turkish intelligence.
“If you want to live when you come back to Arabia, shut up,” one of the agents replied, according to both the official and the newspaper.
As they cut off Mr. Khashoggi’s head and dismembered his body, a doctor of forensics who had been brought along for the dissection and disposal had some advice for the others, according to the senior Turkish official.
Listen to music, he told them, as he put on headphones himself. That was what he did to ease the tension when doing such work, the official said, describing the contents of the audio recording.
Since there are audio recordings, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman didn’t have any real alternative but to confess, but instead he came up with the cockamamie alibi that the kill team had gone rogue and was not acting on his orders or with his knowledge. That this was preposterous didn’t prevent him from the argument. Amazingly, President Trump repeated the claim on Monday as if there was some plausibility to it, but the cover story has fallen apart as quickly as it was concocted.
Three of the members of the kill team are members of Mohammed bin Salman’s security detail and another has accompanied the crown prince on trips to Paris, Madrid, Houston, Boston and the United Nations in New York City.
Perhaps the Saudis know they’re in real trouble since they sent the American government $100 million yesterday. But whatever happens for here, we’ve now been exposed to a president who aspires to be an accessory to murder after the fact.
The New York Times editorial board sensibly notes that Trump is obviously lying when he claims that he doesn’t know what happened.
On Monday, when Turkey had already leaked considerable evidence of a hit, Mr. Trump was behaving like a royal apologist. “Just spoke to the King of Saudi Arabia who denies any knowledge of whatever may have happened ‘to our Saudi Arabian citizen,’” he wrote on Twitter. A bit later he told reporters, “The denial was very, very strong,” adding: “It sounded to me like maybe these could have been rogue killers. Who knows?”
Actually, he probably does, if American spy agencies are doing their job.
Despite this, on Tuesday Trump complained that the Saudis were being treated as if they were “guilty until proven innocent.” He knows full-well that they’re guilty and yet on Wednesday he suggested that he had not yet asked Turkey for the audio tapes or received any verification that they exist.
This isn’t fraud or assault. It’s covering up a murder on behalf of the murderer. That’s ordinarily a very serious crime. It’s probably the most serious crime Trump has ever committed. And he’s doing it in plain sight.
And he will still be 50/50 to win re-election in 2020.
Why?
Because 45% of Americans don’t believe Arabs murdering Arabs is a bad thing, and 30% of Americans won’t even know this happened.
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Next thing you know he will prove to us he can shoot someone on fifth avenue and no one will care.
When you are in a civil war with something all actions are above board and OK. The only thing that matters is crushing the enemy.
We are in a civil war.
Trump asks what’s a body to do when there’s a hundred billion dollars and more on the line? He didn’t do it right? Besides can’t prove it anyway. Maybe some rogue elements done the deed.
Actually the “hundred billion” is a lie too.
. . . switchers.
[More apropos to this old, dead thread, but since it’s dead, parking this here instead.]
Addressing the oft-voiced objection to the notion that deplorables who’d voted for Obama threw the electoral college to Trump:
[explanation, with evidence, of how/why different and not refuting that deplorables were decisive in “electing” Trump follows at link; noting, as does the article, that this is just the latest added to the growing pile of evidence for that proposition]
. . . spree, I see.
Surprised he didn’t link to “Pastor Dan”‘s “blog ethics” to really nail down the self-condemnation. A more pathetic, cowardly, hypocritical loser would be almost impossible to imagine. Though the Pythons did give it the old college try (h/t Neon Vincent):
Yes, Booman, there is something particularly depraved about Trump’s carrying the Saudis’ water in providing cover for this horrific crime. He may even have invented the bullshit about “rogue agents.”
The more we see of Trump, the more it’s clear our electoral system installed a major criminal in the White House. His role model is Putin, and he relishes the idea of heads of state being able to murder and torture their opponents.
Whenever this piece of shit says, “Who knows?’ he’s really saying “Who cares?” It’s clear he does, but with a twist: he’s actually applauding these crimes and wishing he could pull them off himself.
Brown babies in cages.
That’s not going to go well, and then he will be `pulling them off himself’.
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I would just like to take a moment to say “BUT HER EMAILS.”
That is all.
That he is so eager to promote his coverup here, in exactly the same wording he’s given of his talks with Putin where Putin denies and therefore nothing to see here…only seals his culpability.
Congress ain’t buying the coverup nor are they agreeing with Trump’s farce of an economic argument. Lindsey Graham used up all his outrage at the Kavanaugh hearings now he sounds like a child having a tantrum when he huffs and puffs about SA.
It’s worth pointing out Trump is doing this is because he views public diplomacy and personal diplomacy as the same thing: if you’re personally friendly to Trump, you’re good; if not, you’re bad.
His personal financial relationship with the Saudis are probably playing a role here. (That’s why Pompeo isn’t pushing the Saudis. He knows that pushback will get him fired.)
Also Republicans in Congress don’t give a shit.
“Actually, he probably does, if American spy agencies are doing their job.”
He doesn’t talk to his spy agencies,and when he does he doesn’t believe them. I am more than certain that they can play the recording of the murder for him.
He also said he’d learn more when he talks to Pompeo “when he gets back.”
What, they don’t have fucking phones now?
Has everyone forgotten how to think in this country? I know I’m more confused by the day, so maybe so.
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Trump is going to the same playbook for the Saudis he used to cover for the Russians, and he is just as complicit in both crimes. This normally would be shocking for a US president to have involved himself in the cover up of a murder. Of course, since a standard has been set with Trump that since we “knew he was bad” to begin with and elected him anyway, not only do we have to accept as the “norm” his racism, misogyny, incompetence, breaking of traditions and laws but that he can get away with murder, figuratively but now quite literally. So far Trump is the first president where it’s been politically, and fast approaching the point where it’s institutionally accepted, that he is above the law.
I believe Trump, focused on protecting his own interests, was complicit in the Saudis initial cover story. Its in his personal benefit that they not be held to account. And when that fell apart, and the actions of Pompeo and Haley before that, Trump has made himself and his administration coconspirators.
If the end game for Mueller is to produce a report, detailing Trump’s crimes, without attempting to indict him, unless the democrats take the House (and lately they’ve seen almost determined to snatch defeat from what should be the jaws of victory) there is likely little to no chance Trump will face justice if the republicans maintain control. If the democrats take the House, unfortunately given their record of a lack of accomplishment regarding holding to account those that need to be, I don’t have high confidence that they will have the courage, drive and ruthlessness to effectively hold him to account.
A sad state of affairs, it truly is.
I don’t think the House is enough to hold him to account for anything. So I don’t hold much hope for the Mueller investigation other than to message the American people what a true jerk we elected. For that though I will be thankful and await when he can be indicted for his crimes.
The story is out and about that he was dismembered while alive and died after 7 minutes.