Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) will soon be the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, but he has a very legitimate question about a domestic matter.
“Here’s the thing. If the Justice Department takes the position that Michael Cohen should go to jail, that these allegations are so serious that he should go to jail for these campaign fraud allegations, what is the argument against jail for the individual who coordinated and directed that scheme?”
In other words, how could someone justify not sending the president of the United States to prison? Or, if we want to put the question a little differently, how would we feel if Michael Cohen was able to escape punishment for his crimes just because he was the president of the United States?
Giving a serious answer to those questions isn’t an enjoyable exercise. To begin with, the Constitution provides a mechanism for removing a president from power but it specifies that the cause must meet the definition of a high crime or misdemeanor. That suggests that there are low crimes and misdemeanors that would not satisfy the test.
Perhaps campaign finance violations are low crimes even when they are felonies. In this case, I believe that’s a highly contentious assertion since the violations in question arguably allowed Trump to win the narrowest of Electoral College victories. In other words, the violations were perhaps determinative of the result, and Trump would not be president at all if not for committing these crimes. But, for argument’s sake, let us stipulate that a crime intended in part to avoid personal embarrassment and marital strife might not meet the standard of a high crime. The Democrats justifiably felt that way about Bill Clinton’s criminal efforts to deny his affair with Monica Lewinsky, so we do have at least a partial precedent here.
The thing is, no one went to jail in Clinton’s stead. As an example, the president’s secretary Betty Currie was accused of helping to obstruct justice.
Lawyers familiar with Ms. Lewinsky’s testimony said she told Mr. Clinton that the [Paula] Jones subpoena had demanded the gifts he had given her. They talked about it, and Mr. Clinton told her that she could not turn over the gifts if they were not in her possession, Ms. Lewinsky was said to have testified.
The following day, Ms. Lewinsky received a phone call from Ms. Currie, who said, ”I hear you have something for me,” Ms. Lewinsky told the grand jury, the lawyers said. And later that day, they said Ms. Lewinsky testified, Ms. Currie went to her apartment to retrieve the gifts.
It would have been significantly harder to shrug off Clinton’s behavior if his secretary had gone to prison. There would have been obvious injustice in that.
And that’s the kind of injustice that Adam Schiff is referring to with respect to Michael Cohen. Even though some of their crimes had nothing to do with Donald Trump, Shiff might also extend a similar argument to people like George Papadapoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Paul Manafort.
A better parallel is Richard Nixon who avoided prison even as forty-eight government officials were convicted, many of whom were incarcerated. Of course, campaign finance violations played a comparatively minor role in the Watergate scandal, but that is ultimately likely to be the case in the Russia investigation, too.
Still, the protections afforded the president, whether in the Constitution or just as part of current Department of Justice regulations, of necessity allow for a certain degree of injustice. What we should contemplate is the value of the return we get on this injustice. Shielding the president from the kind of accountability that ordinary citizens face discourages frivolous attacks and shows a healthy respect for the verdict of elections. If the people choose a president, that president should not be removed lightly. This is important for a variety of reasons, but most convincingly as a protection against a breakdown in civil society. A political system that doles out accountability at the ballot box is preferable to one that utilizes the military or the courts. That’s why the ultimate decision to remove a president is left in our system to elected officials.
And I think here we get closer to an actual answer to Schiff’s question. There really is no argument that Cohen should go to jail and Trump should avoid accountability. The question is really about what kind of accountability Trump should face. In Clinton’s case, the Democrats argued that he should face an official congressional censure to put a black mark on his record. If campaign finance violations were the only serious allegation to be proven in this investigation of Trump, a similar remedy might be appropriate. In any case, a censure would be preferable to doing nothing. Of course, we are already far beyond such a scenario. At a minimum, the president would need to also be censured for running a charity so fraudulent that it will be liquidated.
If the House of Representatives impeaches Donald Trump, the Senate Republicans may try to revive censure as a solution short of conviction and removal from office, but it seems doubtful that the Democrats, the media or the nation will see that as an adequate solution.
Whether it’s perceived as adequate may have nothing to do with how the Senate reacts, but if our elected officials decide to leave it to the electorate to decide, the GOP will still have to choose whether or not to support Trump as their 2020 nominee. They could perhaps persuade Trump to forego any effort to seek a second term in exchange for an acquittal in the Senate.
If they can’t even do that, then Trump could well win the nomination and stand for reelection. At least for now, his polling among Republican voters remains shockingly strong. And that would cast Schiff’s question in a different light. What, after all, is the argument for reelection for the individual who coordinated and directed a scheme that sent his lawyer to jail?
Exactly. How can we justify someone using the Presidency as a stay-out-of-jail-free card.
Reagan
Well, there was no argument for electing Individual 1 in the first place. But it happened. Trying to engage Republican politicians and voters with reason, or expecting some consistency of values, are both feckless.
Individual 1 did not merely direct campaign finance felonies. The documents in Cohen’s case are unequivocal, even if it is not stated explicitly, that he directed a conspiracy to defraud the U.S.
The GOP has already decided on how to reckon with Trump. Here is their answer.
They have decided to combine the election efforts of the RNC with Trumps re-election Committee, all in one building, and in one office, and combined bank accounts.
There is no `GOP and Trump,’. It’s all Trump.
He’s never going to be impeached.
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Schiff’s question begs the exercise, ‘for those that treat the sitting President as if he were a king and thus not subject to the accountabilities of the citizenry’ are in conflict with all the writings of our Founding Fathers?
The GOP can glean plenty of direction from the law on how to treat Trump. It’s about time they ripped the bandaid off their support because this thing of staying silent and just trying to wait him ain’t workin for anybody.
I’ve seen a lot of hand waving, even at some more reputable blogs, over Trump’s campaign finance violations. The general drift is that it’s simply: 1) No Big Deal, 2) Everyone does it (my parent’s classic defense of Nixon/Watergate), and 3) it’s just a small fine. So get over it already, let’s talk about the many and numerous felonies committed by the Clintons.
No exaggeration.
GOP voters LOVE crooks and criminals. Not snark. There’s several indicted crooks that were duly elected by GOP voters in this last go-round.
Whyever would they believe that their apparently annointed Lord & Savior should suffer any consequences for his clear crimes? LOCK HER UP!!11!!
I hold out no hope whatsoever that the GOP, and most especially GOP voters, will EVER admit that Trump’s a crook and deserves hard time. After all, nearly everyone KNEW he was a crook to begin with. The GOP loves crooks. They think crooks are “strong,” and they vote for them routinely.
The end.
. . . “no exaggeration” that “some more reputable blogs” are arguing your #3.
Or perhaps I’m stumbling over how you define “reputable”. If that’s the explanation, then perhaps you could clarify that (though even in that case, example[s] would still be helpful).
“what is the argument for reelection for [our political criminal]?”
He owns the libtards, and gleefully insults and harms non-whites, citizens or otherwise. These considerations trump everything for the incompetent spiteful white electorate. At least until Gotterdammerung.
I think it highly unlikely that the Founders would question whether a demented lie-machine like Der Trumper has committed high crimes or misdemeanors meriting removal from office. These were men who prized public virtue, which would be anti-matter to Der Trumper, if he had the slightest conception of it. But the Founders thought that the system they had created would minimize (if not avoid) partisan cabals and factions, a critical misjudgement. The impeachment power is thus a dead letter, just one of the many hopeless shortcomings of the failed constitution.
FailedNation, Inc. is in for some High Drama, in addition to the High Crimes already in evidence from its horrendous CEO.
Impeachment is not a dead letter. It’s just that the two previous impeachments were not followed by Senate convictions because they were regarded as blatantly political actions rather than “high crimes and misdemeanors” (I know that’s also conveniently politically undefined).
Trump, however, is so far outside of the rule of law as to be the exception except that the GOP have simply become a flock of Trump’s sheep. Baaa.
That said, there is still the Nixon solution in which McConnell and…um…Pelosi walk into the WH and ask Trump to leave. He’s a coward so he probably would.
If Der Trumper does not merit impeachment and conviction it is basically impossible to imagine a sitting prez who would.
It’s also impossible to imagine a Dem (or any!) House being presented with a more compelling case for adopting Articles. So we will see the continuing vitality of the impeachment clauses very soon indeed.
Also too; At a minimum, the president would need to also be censured for running a university so fraudulent that it was liquidated.
If they can’t even do that, then Trump could well win the nomination and stand for reelection. At least for now, his polling among Republican voters remains shockingly strong. And that would cast Schiff’s question in a different light. What, after all, is the argument for reelection for the individual who coordinated and directed a scheme that sent his lawyer to jail?
Republican voters think everyone in DC is a crook but Trump and the GOP are our crooks so they’ll vote for him and the rest of the lot.
That’s a good explanation of the mentality.
. . . for a change! (Or, to be slightly more precise, a BRP* in “`Lose-Lose’ Dilemma” article.) Actually published by the Worse-than-Useless Corporate Media! (Link’s to Bloomberg, version “my” local paper picked up sources to Tribune News Service.) Who coulda predicted?
*Banana Republican Party, successor to GOP
If campaign finance violations are the only thing that comes out of the Mueller investigation that directly involves Trump, I will truly be astonished. But I don’t think that is the case at all.
Trump is a mafioso, as we all know. We will find that he was personally involved in all of the decision-making that resulted in the Russian rat f*cking of the election. I really believe the Trump people were too stupid to take even the rudimentary precautions that Nixon’s crew took.
Then post-Presidency, Trump is a world of financial corruption (and Jared too).
“…his polling among Republican voters remains shockingly strong.”
Only to those with their heads up their asses for the last 38 years!
Q: “…What, after all, is the argument for reelection for the individual who coordinated and directed a scheme that sent his lawyer to jail?”
A: to keep the Democrats out.
This will always be sufficient.
Heh,
Eventually we will see variations of this very argument before the Supreme Court. And it will win every time.
SC; And what is your argument that this law is unconstitutional?
Lawyer; The Demoncrats passed it, your Honor.
SC; By God, it is unconstitutional!
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SC; And what is your argument that you should be able to gerrymander?
Lawyer; Otherwise the Demoncrats will win elections, your Honor.
SC; By God, Gerrymandering is right there in the 1st Amendment!
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I think your main point is totally convincing. I just disagree with this, even as a point one might possibly concede:
“a crime intended in part to avoid personal embarrassment and marital strife might not meet the standard of a high crime.”
To me that implies a parallel to Clinton’s Lewinsky affair. Except the parallel isn’t valid. Clinton’s crime was that he lied under oath to avoid personal embarrassment and marital strife. That was called a high crime and misdemeanor, but whether it really was or not is highly debatable.
Trump did more than tell a lie. He violated federal campaign law, and the motive clearly went beyond avoiding personal embarrassment and marital strife, two factors that have never seemed to bother Trump much anyway. Even if “in part” it was for that, it’s irrelevant.
Trump did it to conceal something that would have cut into his margin of votes. I don’t think there’s much of an argument that that is not a high crime.