Promoted by Steven D.
The Baltimore Sun reported today that Bush rejected President Clinton’s effective, legal surveillance program that did not invade privacy to adopt the current NSA spying program, which is ineffective, illegal and invasive of citizens’ privacy rights. So, the question jumping off the page may be: Why would Bush use a program that does not actually assist the finding of terrorists, yet also has the disadvantage of invading Americans’ privacy rights?
The Clinton surveillance program, called ThinThread, was created during the late 1990s to “gather and analyze massive amounts of communications data without running afoul of privacy laws.” Several bloggers provide excellent posts on the components and nature of the program.
The key to evaluating Bush’s true motive for his NSA program is that testing of ThinThread showed it was far better in finding potential threats and protecting privacy than the current NSA program that Bush chose in its stead. “For example, its ability to sort through massive amounts of data to find threat-related communications far surpassed the existing system, sources said. It also was able to rapidly separate and encrypt U.S.-related communications to ensure privacy.” But, Gen. Hayden of NSA decided not to use these two tools or the monitoring feature to prevent abuse of the records. The problem is that not using the ThinThread program has “undermined the agency’s ability to zero in on potential threats.” Moreover, “ThinThread could have provided a simple solution to privacy concerns.”
Incredibly, the ThinThread program was far superior to the NSA program in place in 2004:
“A number of independent studies, including a classified 2004 report from the Pentagon’s inspector-general, in addition to the successful pilot tests, found that the program provided `superior processing, filtering and protection of U.S. citizens, and discovery of important and previously unknown targets,’ said an intelligence official familiar with the program who described the reports to The Sun. The Pentagon report concluded that ThinThread’s ability to sort through data in 2001 was far superior to that of another NSA system in place in 2004, and that the program should be launched and enhanced.”
The upshot is that the NSA’s warrantless surveillance program is ineffective at finding terrorists:
“Without ThinThread’s data-sifting assets, the warrantless surveillance program was left with a sub-par tool for sniffing out information, and that has diminished the quality of its analysis, according to intelligence officials. Sources say the NSA’s existing system for data-sorting has produced a database clogged with corrupted and useless information. The mass collection of relatively unsorted data, combined with system flaws that sources say erroneously flag people as suspect, has produced numerous false leads, draining analyst resources, according to two intelligence officials. FBI agents have complained in published reports in The New York Times that NSA leads have resulted in numerous dead ends.”
And, Bush did not adopt ThinThread’s privacy protections even though the “encryption feature would have been simple to implement” in minutes. One explanation may be that “encryption would have required analysts to be more disciplined in their investigations, however, by forcing them to gather what a court would consider sufficient information to indicate possible terrorist activity before decryption could be authorized.” So, using ThinThread would have required compliance with legal search standards, something that the Decider says is just not technically feasible with his program. Sounds like a convenient method for chipping away at constitutional safeguards.
While Bush proclaims that his NSA program is for the purpose of finding terrorists, this article says it is not effective for that purpose. On the other hand, the former head of NSA operations division told the 9/11 Commission that “ThinThread could have identified the hijackers had it been in place before the attacks.” Is that why Bush team often states that NSA surveillance would have permitted the identification and capture of the 9/11 hijackers had it been in place prior to 9/11? That is, the general statements made by Bush are true for ThinThread, which is a NSA surveillance program, just not the program that Bush is using. So, in accordance with Bush’s parsing practice, his statements would be technically true, just misleadingly false.
Finally, the article points out that ThinThread was rejected partially because it too aggressive and could violate civil rights. After 9/11, NSA lawyers reversed position by adopting Bush’s theory of his war powers. However, one intelligence official stated that ThinThread is legal regardless of whether the US is at war. So, did Bush reject ThinThread partially because he could not then use the terror card as a pretext to expand presidential powers?
Given that a perfectly legal program which could actually accomplish the stated objective of capturing terrorists before attacking Americans exists, but was rejected by Bush, would could be the real underlying purpose for Bush’s NSA surveillance program that has a minor, if any, impact on anti-terror objectives?
Perhaps the answer lies in the fact that if Bush is to actually succeed in finding terrorists with the program he is using, this program requires more data about Americans. That is, phone records are not sufficient for this objective, so more data would be required. Like the camel who first sticks its head in the tent, Bush may have wanted pretextual grounds to keep expanding the nature and amount of information about Americans that he collected and deposited in databases.
As noted by one expert, the NSA program Bush is using is apparently not effective at finding terrorists, not unless more data is obtained by the government in addition to phone records. Public reports indicate the NSA is using social network analysis to find terrorists, which is not effective without more data. If the NSA wants to use mathematics to root out terrorists, it would have to use a different type of profiling technique called formal concept analysis, which requires more than phone records: “For instance, you might group together people based on what cafes, bookstores and mosques they visit, and then find out that all the people who go to a certain cafe also attend the same mosque (but maybe not vice versa).”
Additional information indicates Bush wanted more than phone records. Statements by telecom company officials indicate that Bush wanted long-distance carriers, not local telecoms, which expands the nature and amount of information the NSA can obtain. Technical experts say long-distance calling records may provide information not only on long-distance customers but also “traffic that the carriers connect on behalf of others, including some calls placed on cellphones or on Internet voice connections.”
Finally, the equipment that AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein says was installed by NSA in AT&T’s secret switching room is apparently Narus, which has the capacity to be the “best internet spy tool:”
“Anything that comes through (an internet protocol network), we can record,” says Steve Bannerman, marketing vice president of Narus, a Mountain View, California, company. “We can reconstruct all of their e-mails along with attachments, see what web pages they clicked on, we can reconstruct their (voice over internet protocol) calls.”
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The combination can keep track of, analyze and record nearly every form of internet communication, whether e-mail, instant message, video streams or VOIP phone calls that cross the network.”
So, what is the real purpose of Bush’s NSA spying program? Is terrorism being used as a cover to collect reams of information about Americans to establish a central database? Could there be political motives?
“Given this history, is it such a stretch to think the White House might find this information useful in helping Republican candidates hold on to national power in 2008? You really think it would never occur to Bush or Karl Rove that private knowledge of which Democratic supporters were contributing to which candidates, or which campaign advisers were leaking to which reporters, would be an advantage in a tough campaign? Or that a little listen-in to their conversations might produce a few votes? We don’t know that this thought ever crossed their minds, but there’s so much we don’t know about what they are thinking. So we just have to trust the integrity of the administration’s public statements. Oh, goodie. Do you feel safer now?”
Given that Bush rejected the ThinThread program that is reported to be both effective at finding terrorists and provide protection to privacy rights, one just has to wonder at the real reason for the NSA program.
that Bush rejects a legal, effective program to track terrorists in favor of a program that is not legal or effective? Seems like the illegal, ineffective program provides Bush with the opportunity to accomplish many policy and political objectives that he could not accomplish with the legal program.
doing something illegal, it becomes a subject of State Secrecy…and a Presidential Memorandom: Truthout.Org.
Bolding mine.
Just like signing statements, only easier.
Peace
why the bush team does not have time to address real issues given all the work covering all the bases and angles for the different programs they construct.
Frankly, I’m personally of the opinion that for BushCo, the most serious forms of terrorism — ie, those forms that threaten them directly — are all domestic.
Naturally, then, this is the type of terrorism that must be thwarted. A1 priority.
The international stuff? Meh.
You’re on to something here. Greg Palast suggests something along these lines in his recent interview on DemocracyNow! promoting his new book. (I can’t wait until it comes out in June) Anyway, here’s an exerpt where he talks about how now only the 2000 election was fixed, but also 2004, with plans well under way to fix the 2008 elections, without Diebold, but with ChoicePoint, a data collection company who sells personal information to the feds.
AMY GOODMAN: Say the number again.
GREG PALAST: 3.6 million ballots cast, never counted. And that’s because they call these spoiled votes or rejected provisional ballots, 1.9 million so-called provisional ballots, and then, most of those don’t get counted. And so, whose votes don’t get counted? If it was random, it wouldn’t matter. In other words, if these were votes where the machine doesn’t record it properly, hanging chads, extra marks on a paper ballot, you had the wrong address on your absentee ballot, etc.
[snip]
And `08, so what’s happening is there is no fix of the system. In other words, just like black folk get bad schools and bad hospitals, they get the bad voting machines, which are going to kill those votes. But they’re not satisfied with just letting the ballots be thrown away. They’re going to move it along. And one of the things I discovered is the Republican Party has something called “caging lists,” which came to our — you know, just like you had Friday, the way the Yes Men capture material by using false websites, so through a false website we were able to capture Republican Party internal missives, through georgebush.org.
And so, what happened was is that they sent us a bunch of lists of literally tens of thousands of names of voters and addresses. We were wondering what the heck this was. It turns out these were almost all African American voters, who they were prepared to challenge in 2004, and they did, to say that these people shouldn’t vote, because their addresses are suspect. And you’ll see in the book that in the lists of thousands of black voters that they were challenging over their address were thousands of black soldiers who were sent to Iraq; go to Baghdad, and the Republican Party challenges your vote.
And that’s the beginning, and because there’s been really no action taken, they’re accelerating the system now. And the next thing that they’re going after is the Hispanic vote. So when we saw two million votes cast/not counted in 2000, nearly four million votes cast/not counted in 2004, you’re going see that number massively increase in challenges to voters in 2008. And that’s what’s going back to this database story with the National Security Agency.
my diary on Palast
Palast’s latest piece on domestic spying
DemocracyNow! Palast interview You can either read the transcript, stream the audio, or download video.
Sorry for the long post, but this stuff really gets me going.
IT certainly makes sense that given that the Bush team has been so successful in rigging elections – from florida to ohio to redistricting etc – why stop now when Bush is truly concerned that the democrats might obtain control of Congress in midterms which could lead to probes leading to impeachment?
Better…what is the real reason.
Why did they do this?
And the answer is the same as why they do anything else.
Greed.
Plus the short-sighted incompetence and arrant disregard for human life…for ANY life, including that of the planet…that always surrounds such greed.
Greed for power.
Greed for control.
And greed for money.
We are now living in a kleptocracy.
Get used to it, because it seems to be the govermental form that is winning in the late 20th/early 21st century.
So far.
First Russia, followed soon by the U.S. and China.
Its only effective opposition?
Radical fundamentalism.
Greed for Paradise.
We are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Have a nice day.
AG
If we’re caught between a kleptocracy and radical fundamentalism, there must be some things that neither side sees, some realities not accounted for in their limited worldviews. These gaps in their vision can be used, judo-like, to overpower an opponent one might otherwise succumb to. What might these be?
Well, neither party you list seems to think much of human creativity and freedom. Gandhi showed how empire can be defeated with creative non-violence.
Neither one seems much concerned about science or nature. Their blindness leaves them prone to resource shortages like peak oil, and calamities like pandemics that take science (and creativity) to address.
Thus all totalitarian worldviews contain the seeds of their own destruction. What Roman would have thought a Jewish carpenter and itinerant preacher of peace would in time subvert their empire? Things may be rough now, but there are always seeds that can be found and watered that will yield a rich harvest of justice in due course. Our task today is to think creatively and identify those forces and nurture their growth in the hope that the harvest may come fuller and sooner than otherwise. Not to be Cassandra, predicting disaster but never being believed, but being Prometheus, empowering people in ways previously held fit only for gods [but you might want to wear some Kevlar around your midsection if any vultures are about].
It’s pretty naive to think that these folks are as blinded and under-informed as you claim. They are using these philosophies as cover for a specific economic agenda. If they were so anti-science and vulnerable to pandemics, then why does Rumsfeld’s company own the patent to Tamiflu? If they are so mislead by their Christian fundamentalist beliefs, then why are they countermanding the 10 commandments daily? If they are so isolated, then why do they have friends and business partners all over the globe, on both sides of this conflict, from Oil Rich dictators to Oil Rich terrorists to Zionists, to the bad kind of Euros. Don’t get confused by the motifs in which the map to our future is drawn, it is the message that matters:
“Coporatism rules, silly little Human Resource!”
If they have to take bizarre philosophical positions and treat the citizenry like ATMs to make more $$ for their bosses, so be it!
It’s pretty naive to think that these folks are as blinded and under-informed as you claim.
No it’s not. They rule by fear, not by well informed farsighted policies. Yes, their ultimate goals seem to involve economics, but even that’s a bit simplistic. They are not infallable. People who are possessed of a monumental arrogance usually do have huge blind spots. Their rejection of science is blatant. Who cares what they personally believe? Their pandering to religious right does not mean they believe that shit, it’s pandering. Except for Bush, who may actually believe he’s a messenger from God, which in my opinion, makes it far easier for others in the administration to manipulate the moron.
Oh, they’re not isolated from their partners in crime around the world, just from the people they’re supposed to be governing.
“Our task today is to think creatively and identify those forces and nurture their growth in the hope that the harvest may come fuller and sooner than otherwise.”
Knoxville Progressive is right. Step back and see how the Republican coalition of a freak show is splintering. The seeds of this administration’s demise are already sown. Unfortunately, we are the ones who are living through the hell that the next 3 years will bring. Our job is to recognize the seedlings when they show themselves and nurture them.
Conditions in Gandhi’s India…and anywhere else that people have (however temporarily) thrown off the yoke of the users, including America in the 1700s…were so bad that many, MANY people were willing to take their chances with death in order to have the possibility of living freely.
I am not being a Cassandra here, Knox. Merely stating the obvious. As long as some large part of the population of the United States is eating well enough not to be hungry, as long as an even LARGER segment of the population remains in the thrall of the hypno-media, then there is likely to be be no appreciable change in what is happening here.
And there will certainly be no change in the makeup and directions of the two major parties. They need majorities to win, and they need big money to spin those majorities in their favor. Only Corporate America HAS that kind of money, and there y’are.
Bought and sold.
Unless…and Howard Dean and his advisors will go down in history as heroic and brilliant pioneers if this happens…unless a candidate and a party are funded BY THE PUBLIC.
Netroots, grassroots, call it what you may. THAT is what Dean is and has been about. The opposition w/in the Democratic Party to his efforts is run by the same people who opposed Paul Hackett. They would rather LOSE than win by public funding, because they are working for other forces than the people.
Win OR lose…they win. The money and power keep right on coming in.
Corporate and foreign interest money and power. Bet on it.
And they are still in the driver’s seat. Again…witness Hackett’s fate at their hands. They are pros; they are VERY good at what they do, and they have the backing of corporate money and corporate media.
Powerful friends. Massively powerful allies.
Only a mass movement seems likely to me to be able to topple them, and mass movements of that sort are driven by one thing, and one thing only.
Survival.
Hunger, danger, and poverty.
Threats to survival.
I am not happy that this is the case. In an ideal world, it would be IDEAS that move things along. But “Give me liberty or give me death” simply does not resonate well in the fluorescent aisles of the hundreds of thousands of overstocked supermarkets in America. It does not play well on a national TV that is almost TOTALLY dedicated to the idea that the good guys always win and that the police, army, intel orgs and government are those good guys. And it does not work with people who believe that their “liberty” has been bought on credit and needs to be paid for at the end of every month or else they and all of their so-called loved ones will be forced to join the ranks of the non-persons.
Sorry Knox…that’s where it’s at right now.
A dollar collapse?
A serious disaster of some kind, whether man-made or not?
THEN we shall see what happens.
Until then…,business as usual.
“Say…WHAT’S ON TV!!!”
Later…
AG
BTW- on the top half of your post, that is exactly how I see things, and that is why I am calling for a party within the party. A people-powered wing of the party that challenges corporate funded candidates in the primaries.
Bloomberg and David Sirota both addressing issue of democrats campaigning against democrats like Lieberman, who have supported bush’s policies.
Let us hope that you are right.
The rate of change within the party would have to increase a thousandfold for it to happen in time to save us from almost certain techno-fascism, but the same could be said for a third party idea.
Either way, the odds seem increasingly against us.
Unless the Corps-bought ones self destruct in public. Which they seem always on the verge of doing, but never quite get there.
One major misstep, one breakdown in their control mechanism…a Rove or Libby flipping to save his own ass would be a good one; Cheney caught with his pants down in a closet with a 12 year old boy or girl would be another…and all bets are off.
Until then…let us pray. Literally. And let us work within the limitations of our own personal lives to see if we can move things in a better direction.
Each of us our own little vector of one.
Each of us our own little vector of love.
Later…
AG
The telecommunications giants must be receiving some interesting data in return for cooperation, no? Quid pro quo, Clarice?
Ya think?
Couldn’t have anything to do with this:
Peace
as I said over at DKos, the diarist’s premises are false. First, the NSA lawyers rejected the ThinThread program because it was illegal. The lawyers would not permit the NSA to engage in domestic surveillance.
Second, this rejection has to be dated well before 9/11. As I said in my own diary, it probably dates to 1999. TT was created partly in order to face the threat of a millenium attack.
So TT was rejected under Clinton. All the article says about the post 9/11 period is that TT could have been revived and implemented then, but it wasn’t. The Balt Sun implies that that was mostly due to bureaucratic infighting, particularly since Hayden had his own pet project, Trailblazer. If Bush ever took any specific action to “reject” ThinThread, the article does not mention it. Neither does the diarist.
True, there was a study of the moribund ThinThread in 2004 by the Pentagon Inspector General, at a time that Trailblazer was sucking up lots of money, but that doesn’t mean Bush ever read that report or took any concious decision.
This is mere speculation, based upon false premises. It’s hard not to conclude that the diarist has not read the Sun article very carefully.
I am already behind in my work, and do not have time to defend myself against the false claims by this person, but I would ask that you check out the daily kos comments and do a search for patriot daily comments already provided to this person. I can only say that it is so unfair and unreasonable for this person to attack the good name and reputation of Patriot Daily.
His or her main argument is that there is no evidence in the Baltimore Sun article that Bush personally rejected the Clinton surveillance program, and therefore we should not even be addressing the issue of the diary, what is Bush’s real motive for domestic surveillance against Americans if his program does not accomplish his stated goal of finding and capturing terrorists before they attack us.
I can only say at this point that the diary was published at truthout, frontpaged at Booman Tribune
And My Left Wing
and on the Daily Kos
recommend list last night and earlier this morning, and that most commenters understand that we do not have to hear Bush utter the words to reasonably infer that he either directly or vicariously rejected the Clinton program. The ironic part in this person’s dispute is that it really does not matter if Bush personally or vicariously rejected the Clinton program. The point of the diary and the Baltimore Sun article is that Bush’s statement’s about having to invade our privacy to protect us and that he had to violate FISA warrant requirements are false because Clinton’s program indicated compliance with the existing laws was feasible. And, the Baltimore Sun article also points our, as has other MSM reports, that Bush’s surveillance program does not accomplish the ostensible objective of finding terrorists, which then begs the question as to what is the real purpose or motive.
After all this back and forth, have you really understood nothing I’ve said? And what the heck difference does it make how many places your diary has been crossposted, or how many comments have been posted by others who have not read the Baltimore Sun article any more carefully than you?
Your premises are false. That is the main point. There is nothing unreasonable in pointing that out. You assumed, without argument, that Bush rejected this program. The Sun article indicates that it was rejected before 2001. That’s a pretty glaring discrepancy, which you did nothing to address in your diary.
Once I pointed that out, you fell back on speculation that Bush, or somebody on his behalf, later rejected the program a second time while it was moribund. But you’ve never provided adequate evidence to show that Bush Co. ever considered reviving ThinThread, much less rejected it, much less all the rest of your speculation about their alleged motives for the alleged rejection.
You keep saying the ThinThread program was legal. The Sun article says the NSA lawyers concluded that it was illegal. Again, you simply overlook that in your rush to speculate about what nefarious ideas Bush had in mind when, according to you, he rejected the program.
I say nothing in defense of Bush, nor do I deny that there is value in discussing Bush’s motives for the domestic surveillance program. You’re trying to defend your mistaken inferences from the Sun article by wrapping them around the outrage we feel against Bush, as if any criticism of the inaccuracies in your diary is a defense of Bush.
Yet in my first comment on your dKos diary, I pointed out that it was you who is providing Bush with a defense of his domestic spying by asserting, falsely, that ThinThread was a “legal” program. The NSA lawyers concluded it was illegal because it would have involved domestic surveillance.
Sure, if it had ever been reviewed by courts, they might have ruled it legal. Or they might have ruled it illegal. Anybody may speculate in the absence of evidence. That’s the basis for most of what you’re doing here–when you aren’t making assumptions that conflict with the reported facts.
And you accuse me of making false claims? I believe I have said nothing false, and I’ve backed my statements with evidence. You’ve made gross assumptions, then abused me for pointing them out. Who is attacking whose good name?
What do you not understand? At what point does your commenting conduct become offensive? You posted 21 comments at Daily Kos out of a total of 121 or around 17% of the comments and generally making the same point over and over and over again. You accuse me of writing false premises and that I must be “wrong” because I disagree with your views and assessments of facts. Generally, you repeated the same thing in each of your longer comments, and kept yelling off the page why is no one listening to you with comments like “how many times to I have to answer this?” and the following:
Why can’t you understand that reasonable people can differ as to both factual analysis, interpretation and conclusions? Do you think that your view is the only reasonable view? Do you think that constantly repeating your theory and twisting my words and changing your responses is somehow going to hammer me or others into proclaiming that somehow we have seen your light when we simply disagree with your theory? Do you think that because you posted a diary at kos on the same issue that somehow you are the ultimate expert? And, please, do not play the victim with me, you are the one who has been attacking my diary and analysis and then followed me to booman to conduct more of the same. So, fight with yourself because I have read and considered your views, and simply vehemently disagree.
when I pointed out facts (not a theory) that your own tin foil theory falls afoul of.