[From the diaries by susanhu with a minor formatting change. What an important diary, and an important piece of original journalism by Teacher Toni.]
The school where I teach is a Title I school. Basically, this means that our whole student body is considered at-risk. Apparently, due to some provision under Title I (at least according to administration), if we deny access to the military, we can lose funding.
Just as I was starting my 1st hour class, a staff sergeant recruiter shows up in my class to discuss the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) test. He starts off by stating that he is not here to recruit them, only to talk about the test. That took all of three minutes. He then said that he was willing to take questions for the rest of the hour, as if my class material is irrelevant.
This is a shitty position for me. I did not know they were coming and I generally believe in allowing students to have as much information as possible. Thus, I decided that I would allow the class to just operate without intervention from me. If they talked while he talked, I would not stop them. If they asked difficult or rude questions, I would not react.
My first hour class was amazing. They asked some hard questions. Why did we invade Iraq? Where is Osama? Where are the WMDs? Are we about to invade Syria or Iran? What are we doing about N. Korea? I was so proud of them. The recruiter had to do some tap dancing, and he even spread some lies – like the yellowcake from Niger. I pointed out that that document was a forgery. I think that he was not happy.
Luckily for him, the next two hours were very superficial. They wanted to know about guns and music.
After lunch, one of my Honors classes arrived and now two recruiters. All hell broke loose. In general, the 4th hour class was fairly passive, but a few kids had pointed questions. One student asked the recruiter if he thought the war was a good idea. He said that he had mixed feelings. This sounded like a little back pedaling from 1st hour. He backed off on the WMD angle, but stuck to the Saddam was a bad guy. Then, all hell broke loose. Someone asked a question about torture. The recruiter stated that it depends on what is the situation. It seems that he was trying to give a little opening for the acceptance of torture. I could no longer hold my tongue and I asked about the Geneva Convention. I stood up and said that our quibbling of the definition of torture was destroying our moral standing in the world and threatened guys like him, when in the field. I also stated that more often than not, information gained from torture was notoriously inaccurate.
This led to greater policy discussion about the Isreal-Palestine conflict, McCain’s anti-torture bill, how Frist did not allow it to the floor, and Dick Cheney’s attempt to allow the CIA to torture. Things got a little heated. .. continued below:
The kids, whom I have known for two whole weeks, were stunned and excited. At the end of the hour, we shook hands to show the students that two adults can have a heated discussion and can still be respectful. Several students came up to me to tell me that they thought that what I did was cool.
I learned a lot today. I learned that many kids are better informed then we give them credit. I learned exactly how these recruiters work. They try to be buddy, buddy with the students and funny to try to build a rapport with the kids. I am very concerned about the access that they have to our students. If you have high school aged students, find out how recruiters operate in you child’s school. In the meantime, I am going to look further into the laws that said that I have to have these guys in my classroom. Next time, they don’t come in my room.
I’m glad you wrote this up — it really helps to have first-hand information about what is going on.
You were a hero today, in my book. Your kids will NEVER forget this. You may even, ultimately, have saved some of their lives if it causes any of them to rethink any ideas they may have had about enlisting. Please let us know if you suffer any repercussions.
I agree– you’re my hero today, Toni. I can hardly believe they blindsided you like that. Did the school administration know the recruiters were coming and didn’t tell you? Or did the recruiters just show up? Either way it’s so crappy to have your classes disrupted by this.
There was an e-mail while I was still on leave, a few weeks ago. I obviously had forgotten.
a little prejudice on my part perhaps but she’s a teacher, she’s a hero everyday.
Thanks. The same goes for your husband. How aggressive has the military been at his school?
He teaches 6th graders and thankfully they aren’t going after them that young — yet.
Good for you, Toni! I wouldn’t have given them an opening myself, but I think you’re wiser than I am.
I didn’t know the law and I admit that I was a little off my game when I looked up and saw the guy at my door. I plan on writing a lengthy letter complaining and suggesting an alternative plan for the next time.
You are a great, TT. Those kids will remember what you said and did.
Are you allowed to tell then that the ASVAB is going to be used to target them for even heavier-handed recruiting? Or that they can refuse to take the ASVAB?
American Friends Service Committee has a lot of information abut militarism in schools on their website at AFSC.org.
yerg. That was supposed to say you are a great teacher.
When I was in high school, everyone took it. I don’t remember if they told us we had to, or what. Some guy named Sergeant Slaughter kept trying to recruit me after that, but I declined.
Nice work, Toni. Very nice. I am glad your kids weren’t scared to challenge this guy.
I plan on telling them tomorrow all about the test and the aspects of NCLB that forces us to give the military their names.
I think the AFSC website also has a form that can be used to opt out. Maybe your kids would like to print one out for their parents to sign?
Way to go TT! I am stunned that the recruiters were not only allowed in your class, but allowed to take over your class. It’s one thing to give them 5 or 10 minutes to talk, it is a totally different matter to allow them the entire period/day.
It sounds like you really handled the situation well, all things considered. I don’t know how my kid’s high school is dealing with things like this, but I will definately ask.
My whole day was shot to hell. All my plans, put off until tomorrow. Plus his attitude that it was better to spend the hour asking mostly pointless questions than to be studying American Literature.
grrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the first time I’ve read a diary that actually gave me chills! I’m so proud of you and of your students for putting those recruiters on the spot.
I knew that schools which take federal Title 1 funds have to allow recruiters on campus, but I didn’t know they could actually come into the classroom and take away instruction time. That sucks, and I’m going to ask my boys if that’s happened at their school. So far there’s been a major military presence in the lunchroom but nothing else.
My instinct is to tell you to take your family now and move to another location, leaving no forwarding address.
However, since you are a teacher, you would have a paper trail, so I will confine myself to suggesting you read over the Anti-Terrorism Safety Checklist
Oh hell Ducty, I’ve got a paper trail a mile long. I am a US citizen who immigrated to Canada, who travels to America (Detroit) everyday for work, who also just completed an adoption of her Chinese son, who just received his visa to travel to the US.
Danm, I can’t hide, so let ’em come get me.
That’s Damn!
a year later.
I ordered a pizza two days ago from my local ‘mom and pop’ pizza joint. I live one mile away from a university with 40K+ population.
The driver arrived and pulled out the box. “Oh, you have fancy new boxes!” I commented as he pulled my delivery out of his bag. Little did I know … my home was about to be invaded.
When he said that the military would pay for school, i made sure to ask to the actual dollar amount. It comes out to about $4,500 a year, according to the recruiter. For a Univerity of Michigan, that isn’t even half. Same goes for Michigan State.
to the generous sum provided to expendables who survive and are still able to process information sufficiently to attend college, that wheelchairs, crutches, prosthetic limbs as well as ostomy bags are also provided to the student at no cost whatsoever.
(in most cases, at the present time)
I do not believe they provide translators and transcribers for those whose vision and/or movement impairments preclude the taking of notes, that would be another good question for the eager crusaders-to-be to ask the gunman.
I’m so proud of you Teacher Toni!
I saw a NOW a couple of weeks back that discussed exactly this situation..
here’s the URL http://www.pbs.org/now/thisweek/index_112505.html
in it it said that the tuition bonuses are misleading to the extreme. Only 4 out of 10 kids qill qualify for them. So, 6 out of 10 will enlist thinking that they will at least get an education paid for. Unfortunately, the education they recieve will be a civics lesson. Re: that you can’t trust Uncle Sam when it wants your warm body.
Thanks Syniel. I might see if I can get a transcript and share that with the students.
Any any any time, Toni !
I’ve also been thinkign a bit on your situation. This is just asking, mind, but the next time they come around, couldn’t you just say “I’m sorry but YOU need to get the OK from the principal on this. The students have a certain time to learn a lot of material. Their time is important.” ? If they ask you to get the OK. tell them NO.. but that’s THEIR responsibility, because you have a ton of duties and you can’t do THEIR job for them.. etc.
That just makes sense to me, anyway. It covers your behind, too… because they are asking for an HOUR of time the kids could be learning important stuff.
Anyway, it may be that I’m wrong and it’s a horrid suggestion, but I will throw it out anyway 🙂
You could tell them where that is, and take an hour out of the class to educate the students about the “opt out” process to prevent the gunmen from obtaining their personal contact info.
Dammit Janet, or maybe Janet Strange, forgive me for not remembering which one, had a diary and a list of some very good resources to help people protect their children from this particular abuse.
Once the students are opted out, on the career fair day, the crusaders can stand there next to the people who are present to inform the students about careers that do not involve sodomizing people with foreign objects or melting the flesh off children.
I can’t wait for a similar ad on tampon boxes that say “you shed blood every month, now how about shedding some for your country?”
ROTFLMAO!!!
What he said, since I’m STILL laughing my ass off!
Glad I wasn’t drinking anything, or the keyboard would have been ruined.
Tacky tacky tacky but wildly funny!!
would be off my list faster than you could say “Sausage, mushroom and extra garlic”…
Great diary and good for you, Toni! BTW, recruiters dn’t have to be let into the school but the school would have to give up the federal funding. I was just reading about this and will put up a link when I can get one. Now where did I read about this?
My school is dirt poor. We receive the state minimum funding per student; we can’t afford to lose any money. The recruiters, however, do not have to be in my classroom. I plan on making this abundantly clear in a tersely worded letter to administration.
Are the other teachers in your corner? With so many at-risk students, it seems shameful to waste class time like that.
precisely the reason the recruiters are spending so much time in the classrooms.
Recruiters are frequently present at my son’s high school, but I’ve heard no reports of them entering the classrooms in which he takes international baccalaureate classes. Those kids are going to college. Recruiters will focus on the ones who likely won’t have other options.
The whole thing is so caste-like it makes me sick.
Yes, other teachers (on a deeply divided staff) seem to be in my corner. I teach the most sections of English 11, so this is how my day got hi-jacked. So, I have the highest concentration of juniors, their prime target.
You are awesome. I think your response was so valuable to those kids in your classes. Unfortunately, if I ever did the same thing in my classes I’d get slammed as one of those liberal college professors…
I went to high school in the 80s and do remember recruiters in our school but never in our classrooms. I kept getting hounded by the Air Force and Coast Guard (?!). The obviously had access to my files because they knew all of my extra-curricular activities and classes. I could have played volleyball while in the Coast Guard!! Taken photographs for the Air Force!!
Anyway, I mailed back several of the “Return for more information postcards” that were postage paid with bricks attached.
BTW, congrats on the adoption of your son. We are in the very same process right now.
Ditto #1 — you are a hero, and by guiding the conversation, you helped to open minds and may have saved some lives.
Ditto #2 — watch your back. I will be very pleasantly surprised if you escape without taking some heat from either your school’s administration or from some wingnut parents.
Kudos to both you and the recruiter for the closing handshake. Let’s keep in clinging to the symbols of civility in these desperate times.
But may I say — an entire DAY in each of your classes? As a taxpayer, this just pisses me right off.
Oh, and I recently learned from my 16yo that he has the video game “America’s Army.” Recruiters set up a table at his school cafeteria and give out free copies to the students. He’s hoping to get his Amnesty International buddies to join him with a counter-recruitment tabling effort, but in the meantime he’s quite happy to play the game. Sigh.
if he and his friends play the game, they could write up a little leaflet about how the game glorifies war, and counter it with statistics about what really happens on the battlefield.
Some peace organization should come up with their own “war game” — you play it for a while, then you die…but when you go to play it again, you can’t. Maybe a message comes up, “In war, there’s no replays”, and the website of the peace organization.
Ooooh. That would sink in. Especially if sometimes things just happened–a bomb goes off, the person playing the game never has a chance to even prevent it or see it coming. Boom. End of game.
Gameplay theory absolutely depends on the ability of the player to be able to make mistakes and start over; from the very beginning of computer-based games, the gamer could “save” their position at any time so if they didn’t solve the puzzle or lost an in-game battle, they could just go back to the point of their last success and keep trying. For a game, where the object is to give the player as many hours of challenging entertainment as possible for his money, this is fine.
But it does tend to convey the wrong idea about the real thing. In first-person shooters or other war and combat-based games, getting killed is merely a momentary setback, like losing a match in tennis, and the bodies of your enemies just vanish after they fall, and no one grieves. Post-traumatic stress syndrome does not exist. Nobody has to say they’re sorry.
It’s very different in the real world — but the recruiters aren’t talking about that. It’s so much easier to sell the military as a video game.
I heard something on NPR recently about social movements and “branding” — and the story closed by mentioning a video game that will come out this January called “A Force More Powerful,” in which you play an activist who cannot use violent means in a violent world.
I’m TOTALLY intrigued.
With recruiting numbers so low, I am not surprised that they have stooped to video games.
That’s great that your son is in AI. When I was in high school, I helped found a chapter for our school, after hearing a former political prisoner from S. Africa.
Powerful and riveting first-hand experience diary. Your well-earned pride in your students is obvious. I was held by every word and found myself mentally cheering you and them throughout.
Until I got to the last sentence.
I think the mental toughness and probing questions your students displayed can only be voiced if those high schoolers are given the arena for testing their critical thinking that allowing the recruiters into your classroom does. As well, by trying to keep them out, you deny your students the chance to see, as you effectively said yourself, contentious debate conducted in a civilized manner. It’s hard for me to imagine any more valuable exercises and lessons.
And I suggest that their encounter with you and your students gave the recruiters food for thought as well.
Please reconsider your decision.
You know Limelight, you’re right. I was writing that diary while they were still in my room. Real life experience is the greatest teacher ever. Now that it has been a few hours, I realize that.
I’m still ticked that it was just foisted upon me, though.
Understood. Proof of your teacher-worthiness that your defenses went up first, did their job, and then your rational mind kicked back in when the danger had passed.
You handled the situation as well as anybody could under the circumstances. I can’t believe that the military has a right to just barge in and do whatever they want as long as they want, though. Seems like your principal should have set the terms, maybe allowed them 5 minutes at the next assembly or something. Is your principal a jerk, like so many of them seem to be? Is this a public school?
Thanks for writing this up. Please keep us up to date if you follow up on this. I hope even the dumbest Americans are now having second thoughts about phony patriotism now that Bush has made it into a bad joke, so your questioning will not be met with hostility.
In any case, sounds like your kids are lucky to have you teaching them. I wish I could hear what the recruiters said on their way back to their office.
I echo the kudos and bravos to you for your stand with respect to these recruitment types. Being there in support of the truth on behalf of your students seems to me to be the higfhest service one can dofor those more vulnerable to being unduly influenced by unscrupulous deception professionals such as these. Probably you’re allowing them in was correct too at least as far as the current regulations might go.
I wonder about the usefulness of developing a checklist of questions in collaboration with your students so that when the recruiters show up again they will have to answer perhaps other questions that might fall through the cognitive cracks in all the excitement of students questioning authority.My understanding is that amongst all the manipulative tactics these characters use on the kids, one very big thing they do is make all sorts of false promises about all kinds of things having to do with education, on ther job training for specific fields of interests, and to a certaion extent telling their victims that they can pick and choose which kind of “duty” they want based on their own interests. In light of this, I might engage the students in a discussion about what kinds of things might provide incentive for them to enlist and then set about getting them to wonder; *”Is there anyway to hold the recruiters and the military accountable, (and/or void the enlistment contract), if their promises turn out to be lies or they just reneg on them, (like the bonus patyment offers for signing up not long ago that the military arbitrarily said they decided they weren’t going to pay after the fact). Helping the students to understand the mechanisms like this that might protect them from being tricked I think is very important.
My 2 cents anyway.
Great ideas sbj. It has been so valuable to hear other people’s perspectives on this. Hmm…we might not talk about literature tomorrow either.
Glad the ideas appeal to you.
I figure that anything that helps kids be able to be better able to detect bullshit and other manipulative influence will help protect them from the misfortunes that ultimately arise from making bad choices based on false or otherwise misleading information.
It’s funny that yesterday on another thread Janet Strange responded to a comment of mine on a similar subject here and asked about whether I might do a diary. Now your diary and comments further encourage me to do so.
I think you are way cool. Any way you can get that story published locally? Maybe you won’t have to fight them on your own next time.
I’m going to post this in it’s entirety, because the sites that have it transcribed are flaky. It was just too good, and a tribute to the job you’re doing. I thought you’d appreciate it, it’s off the first season of Def Poetry Jam…
What Teachers Make, or
You can always go to law school if things don’t work out
By Taylor Mali
He says the problem with teachers is, “What’s a kid going to learn
from someone who decided his best option in life was to become a teacher?”
He reminds the other dinner guests that it’s true what they say about
teachers:
Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach.
I decide to bite my tongue instead of his
and resist the temptation to remind the dinner guests
that it’s also true what they say about lawyers.
Because we’re eating, after all, and this is polite company.
“I mean, you’re a teacher, Taylor,” he says.
“Be honest. What do you make?”
And I wish he hadn’t done that
(asked me to be honest)
because, you see, I have a policy
about honesty and ass-kicking:
if you ask for it, I have to let you have it.
You want to know what I make?
I make kids work harder than they ever thought they could.
I can make a C+ feel like a Congressional medal of honor
and an A- feel like a slap in the face.
How dare you waste my time with anything less than your very best.
I make kids sit through 40 minutes of study hall
in absolute silence. No, you may not work in groups.
No, you may not ask a question.
Why won’t I let you get a drink of water?
Because you’re not thirsty, you’re bored, that’s why.
I make parents tremble in fear when I call home:
I hope I haven’t called at a bad time,
I just wanted to talk to you about something Billy said today.
Billy said, “Leave the kid alone. I still cry sometimes, don’t you?”
And it was the noblest act of courage I have ever seen.
I make parents see their children for who they are
and what they can be.
You want to know what I make?
I make kids wonder,
I make them question.
I make them criticize.
I make them apologize and mean it.
I make them write.
I make them read, read, read.
I make them spell definitely beautiful, definitely beautiful, definitely
beautiful
over and over and over again until they will never misspell
either one of those words again.
I make them show all their work in math.
And hide it on their final drafts in English.
I make them understand that if you got this (brains)
then you follow this (heart) and if someone ever tries to judge you
by what you make, you give them this (the finger).
Let me break it down for you, so you know what I say is true:
I make a goddamn difference! What about you?
Thanks for sharing that…it’s awesome! I’m going to email it to my son who wants to be a history teacher.
Dear Ooze:
One of the best responses to “that question” I have ever seen or heard. Has this been published anywhere, like a EA Monthly for example? I especially like the list of things that you make. Your students are lucky to have you for a teacher, and I imagine most of their parents know it.
blush
I didn’t write this myself. I wish I were that eloquent. I merely quoted because I felt that those in this forum would appreciate it. I am actually currently a graduate student, but I have done some teaching and I love it.
I did not intend to take credit. Taylor Mali is responsible for this.
http://www.taylormali.com/
He’s the one you want to thank!!!!
Hey there Teacher Toni:
You have had the kids for two weeks?? Well that means you have not had time to indoctrinate them, sooo that means that, as you said, they are better informed than we sometimes give them credit for! I would have loved to have been able to sit in and watch the day unfold for you and your students. Thanks for posting this. Please keep us informed about related activities that take place as time goes on. If I had an apple in my lunch bag, I know who would have received it today!
What an outstanding diary. Thank you for asking the recruiter the tough questions. Your kids sound bright and well informed. Keep up the great work Toni. I love your writing.
Even up here, we more-or-less constantly get bombarded with military propaganda. For the longest time, there was a military recruitment ad before every movie at the local cinema. And you see them fairly often on TV.
The sheer number of lies crammed into the typical advertisment sickens me. Especially how they try to make it look like an action movie or video game.
First, WTF is this shit? That has got to be at least HIGHLY unethical, if not illegal!
That part of the “No Child Left Behind” (NCLB–or my fav: No Child’s Behind Left) law says that military recruiters have right to students’ name, address & phone no. upon request.
Further, the law (it was the Solomon amendment named after Rep. Gerald Solomon–he’s dead now, but he was a right-wing asshole while he was here) says that the military can have the same “access” to students as college recruiters & employers. See here, here and here, Section 9528 of NCLB
But since when do college recruiters take over a classroom? That’s bullshit.
Also, what did your principal say? I’m sure you’re straining under the current testing regime, so the fact that some recruiter came and commandeered your classes is nuts when everyone is pressured to raise test scores.
Second, are you a member of NEA or AFT? I’d damn sure let them know.
Third, there IS an opt-out provision, but I have NEVER heard of some recruiter coming in and taking over a class! I’m not disputing it…that’s just bolder than usual. Ten to one he thought he could get away with it in a Title 1 school, but I bet he won’t try that shit at a suburban school.
Fourth, have you contacted the ACLU and/or the local media about this? This whole thing is as scary as it is crazy.
Finally, my ASVAB story: I remember our guidance counselor telling us that we all had to take it, but the scores didn’t count for or against us academically. I, of course, didn’t take it seriously. Well I apparently scored pretty well on it, because I heard from recruiters for a year…including after I finished my first year of college.
That was well more than 10 years ago. Clearly not as bad as the present tactics.
Sorry for the long-ass response, but that’s alarming!
AP, you’re reading my mind about a lot of this stuff. I plan on making some noise about this with the union, etc.
I’ve already spoken with some 1oth graders in Student Council (of which I am the advisor) and they want an opt-out form.
Please do! I’d love to hear about a follow-up–but I can understand wanting to keep a sense of being semi-anonymous (or is that like being a little pregnant…but I digress).
Honestly, I don’t know what I’d have done if someone just came in and took over my class. I think I’d have been just so flabbergasted! But this guy was clearly trying to make his recruitment numbers in the most disgusting way. I’m not a lawyer (nor am I a teacher, for that matter) but what he did seems to be beyond the law.
And he most certainly would NOT have done this in a rich school. He did this because he thought he could get away with it. What other evidence do our kids need that some kids are left alone while others are cannon-fodder?
BTW, I was so disgusted at his actions that I missed the opportunity to tell you how much class and dignity you displayed through that awful ordeal. You are wonderful. Please keep teaching!
Cheers to you, and to your students — sounds like you and whoever had the class while you were on leave encouraged them to think, which probably will get your asses fired one of these days…after all, you can’t be a proper member of the drone economy if you actually think…
You like me! You really like me! I’d like to thank the academy for this award.
Seriously, my sub did a great job with the kids. I am very impressed.
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Re: Military Recruiters In My School
Within minutes …
BBC Live discussion on topic
“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
▼ ▼ ▼ MY DIARY
I think it’s ridiculous that a military recruiter would come into the class unscheduled and basically just take over your room for the entire day. However, your diary sounds like the questions and answers exchanged may have been a better learning experience for the kids than another day of American literature. It definitely was not a day wasted. You did a great job under difficult circumstances, and from the description of your students, it sounds like you do a great job day in and day out.
Great diary, Toni! And your students are sooo impressive, too! Gives one hope about the future, these kids sound not so easily snookered. (And they are very lucky to have you for a teacher!)
It’s called a “teachable moment”.
Those students learned something today–about what it means to be a citizen, not just of the United States, but of the world.
A true patriot asks questions and doesn’t accept what he’s told on authority.
Oh, and Toni standing up and questioning what was going on in her classroom (and it is HER classroom) is THE best argument for teacher tenure I’ve read in a long time. Teacher tenure makes it possible for instructors to take a controversial stand when it’s needed.
Thanks so much Susan. I was very shocked and honored to see this story on the front page. I appreciate it.
Way to go Toni. Still, the striking thing about your diary is that you stated that they wanted to only talk about the ASVAB. From what you wrote, it doesn’t sound like they talked about it at all, or am I mis-reading? One thing I know, it doesn’t take two hours to speak about the ASVAB.