It’s funny because I haven’t talked to Chris Bowers in a couple of weeks but we seem to be, quite independently of each other, coming to a lot of similar conclusions . Today, Chris takes a look at Barack Obama’s uptick in the polls and finds it is mostly explained by a combination of increased name recognition and an improvement in his numbers among African-Americans.
He then goes on to speculate about a potential coalition between the African-American community and the ‘old Dean movement’ which he uses interchangeably with ‘the Netroots’. The Netroots is really a small but influential subset of the ‘old Dean movement’. And older organizations, like moveon.org are really part of this coalition as well.
Between November 2004 and November 2006, this ‘old Dean movement’ was able to unite in opposition to the monolithic power of the Republicans. We largely accepted whatever candidates Emanuel and Schumer dished up for us and went to bat for them. That doesn’t mean that we didn’t have little successes, like beating out Schumer’s pick for the Montana Senate race or defeating Joe Lieberman in the Connecticut primary. And it didn’t mean that strong-arm tactics in the Ohio and Pennsylvania primaries, and in a number of house races (Cegelis, McNerney) went unnoticed. They certainly were noticed, and deeply resented. But until the victories of November 2006, we had enough common cause to keep us moving largely together.
All along the way, though, we suffered indignities at the hands of people from The New Republic, ‘left-leaning’ columnists at the Washington Post, New York Times, Time, Newsweek, and elsewhere. We were disparaged by Clinonistas like Begala and Carville on a constant basis. The argument was consistent. The Netroots was too stridenty anti-war and populist and would do real damage to the Democrats if allowed to have too much influence.
For this reason, our huge successes in November were quickly spun as the doing of Rahm Emanuel and Chuck Schumer alone. They chose to focus on the few social conservatives that were elected in Indiana or North Carolina, rather than our sweep of New Hampshire, new progressive Senators Sherrod Brown and Bernie Sanders, the upset victories of Jerry McNerney and professor Dave Loeback, etc.
The failure of Harold Ford Jr.’s campaign did not prevent people like James Carville from saying he had run the best campaign in the country.
They will do anything to make it look like hawkishness trumps peace, and that our populism is out of step with the American people. And, ordinarily, this would be certain to work. But Obama has the potential to overcome this defense of the status quo. Here’s how Chris puts it:
It is not difficult to see how the rise of Obama could distress certain elements in the media. Since at least 2005, it has been widespread CW within elite media and political circles that Clinton would be a shoe-in for the nomination because of her supposed rock-hard support among African-Americans. It was assumed that this support would inoculate her against any potential netroots challenge from the old Dean coalition, which, whether or not it is accurate, is still perceived in those same circles as being young people and liberals. Now, large elements of the old Dean coalition are merging with African-Americans to pose an extremely serious challenge to Clinton. This is dangerous to the media and political elite for at least three reasons: it shows the CW was wrong, poses a threat to the political machine status quo, and greatly enhances the strategic positioning of netroots power. A netroots alliance with African-Americans forms a powerful reform coalition within the Democratic Party that even the Clinton machine might not be able to stop. In Chicago in early 2004, I saw this alliance steamroll anything that stood in its way, and wondered if it could happen on a national stage. Considering that Obama is one again the candidate leading the alliance, I am left with a striking feeling of déjà vu. Right now, Obama is still tied with Clinton among African-Americans, and with Edwards among the netroots. If he were to take a sizable advantage in either category, much less both, the days of Clinton’s lead would be over.
Whatever people may think of Obama himself, his coalition is a real threat to the establishment status quo. I can’t help but wonder how much this threat plays in role in the constant drumbeat about whether or not he is “black enough” to deserve African-American support. CNN recently had Candy Crowley pump out another story along those lines, and no the Baltimore Sun is doing the same.
I’m not certain if Obama is aware of the potential to create this anti-Clinton coalition, or if someone else, like Edwards, can find even more potent combinations. I know from experience that the ‘old Dean coalition’ is not an easy or natural partner with the traditional African-American power base. Here in Philly, we are making baby steps in this direction, but we haven’t won much yet in our battles with the machine. There are too many mixed loyalties and a lot of cultural distance. But we don’t have any candidates that are comparable to Barack Obama.
One thing is certain though, the ‘old Dean coalition’ has been held at arms length by the Clinton machine and it will never be able to make common cause with them as long as we are considered a dangerously leftist element within the Demcratic Party. This is particularly true the longer we go with no end to this war and no move to seriously investigate potentional impeachable offenses. If we keep funding this war, there is no way that Clinton will be able to reconcile with the Netroots.
I don’t think Obama is confrontational enough to fully satisfy the netroots. The netroots wants somebody who will hurl invective at the Republicans – or even at centrist Democrats – and that’s not Obama’s style. He really tries to say nice things about the other side and tries even harder to get along with waverers. I think the netroots could support him but I don’t see it as an enthusiastic supporter of his coalition. I think the African-American power base could be quite enthusiastic mostly because they’re not quite so demanding. They tolerate conciliatory speeches. There’s also religion, where his devout liberal Christianity is much more in tune with African-American Democrats than the pretty secular netroots.
Being confrontational gets you nowhere. You can get your way in a more mature and effective way. You don’t have to shout and act silly. Stamp your foot and hold your breath.
there are much better ways of getting your way without people even knowing you did.
Obama is master at it.
do not mistake cool and understatement with weakness.
Obama’s endorsement of Daley will create problems with African-Americans who supported Dorothy Brown for Mayor and Deborah Jones for City Clerk last week. Jesse Jackson, Jr., and his wife also ran a campaign against Daley for an aldermanic seat and won. Because Obama aligned himself with the establishment and not with any of the opposing coalitions in Chicago, whether they be African-American coalitions against Daley or Caucasian coalitions against Daley’s aldermanic puppets, I do not know if such a scenario can realistically develop in Chicago.
Dorothy Brown was a nonstarter. No interesting proposals, no outstanding record, no indication of any special insight into Chicago’s future. Obama would have been foolish to throw away his endorsement on a sure loser with no battlecry for real change. If a real contender like Jesse Jackson the younger or maybe Danny Davis had run, Obama might have had a problem. As it turned out the endorsement was a no-brainer.
People from elsewhere, especially liberals, keep assuming that Daley stays in power because of the “machine”. That certainly plays a role, but the fact is that he’s liked by pretty much every segment of the population. I personally wish Harold Washington could have still been mayor, but when I look at places like Philadelphia and Baltimore I almost turn religious so I can pray for Daley’s long life and continued success.
Amen. bro. Hehehehe.
Watch Hillary run backwards. Obama was invited to speak this weekend at the Selma March Anniversary function as was Hillary.
Guess what, there’s a last minute invite. As the polls are showing Obama gaining African American votes, Hillary’s camp asked Bill Clinton to join her. Heard minutes ago on NPR’s All Things Considered
Not a good move Hillary. Is Bill running for president, Again?
Being featured at MSNBC is Hillary’s hidden thesis here on Johnson’s War on Poverty.
Wonder if her sympathies changed.
Meanwhile people are being drawn to Obama. Read this NPR interview with Obama. H/T: Andrew Sullivan
Meanwhile in a display of equal treatment,
Huffpost notes Clouter calls Edwards a faggot
Geeez. I thought she had been given 5 years hard labor in a high security prison some place.
I do not understand why understanding the operations of perpetuating poverty is somehow regressive as you imply.
I’ve always understood that Hillary does not like us as much as Bill, who could talk shit in the middle of the night with black women and men, complete with beer, drinks and Southern food. I’ve never heard or read of Hill being a part of those late-night bulltalk-aramas, only Bill.
In the back of her mind, it is black folks that covered up for him during the Har-Monica antics way back. She had a particular disgust for his black White House secretary, who of course, was not on her list of female checkers that watched Bill for signs of catting around.
To put it frankly, I believe Hillary thinks of us as being complicit in our poverty and public culture as much as Goldwater and Moynihan did. In other words, it’s all our fault and we should be ignored until we act right.
She is a Clerk of the City Courts, and she proposed education reform. She also understands poverty and class structures, as she had to surmount them in order to become an attorney and also a judge. I imagine her exposure to cases of various kinds has also provided her with invaluable experience when it comes to urban problems and urban economic structure. To characterize her the way you did is the typical manner whereby whites invalidate black candidates who are qualified for office. I must say I am disappointed.
Everybody proposes education reform. There was no new substance to hers that I could see. I’m sure she’s a fine person and might make a good mayor, but she didn’t have a chance and she didn’t get anybody excited. Her campaign put everybody to sleep, not because she’s black but because she was boring. Like I said, if Jesse Jr or Bobby Rush or maybe Danny Davis had run, we’d have had a contest. I must say I’m disappointed by your implication that being unimpressed by Brown is somehow racist.
And one only endorses a candidate if they will win? I guess you are intimating that Obama lacks principle and conviction. If this is the case, why would anyone want to support him?
I think that it is very possible to have large groups of people unite around one candidate who may not have their best interests in mind, simply because they wanna throw the bums out.
We saw that in 1992 with the Clinton ascendancy.
We see it again right now.
Clinton himself may like us, but he’s always been a pragmatist and compromiser who has gone against black allies and concerns when it suits him politically. Hillary? She started off as a Goldwater girl, not a Dem. Her stripes are both Repub and DLC.
Despite his slaveowning ancestors (through his white mom), I distrust Barack Obama not on the grounds of biological determinism, but on the grounds that his cultural inheritance is not that of the native African American, but of the immigrant who wants to fit in at any cost, and who refuses to soil himself on ‘extreme’ issues involving class and race that might define him further as not American enough.
Hence his sucking up to Daley, in my view.
Obama doesn’t like the netroots or the old Dean group anymore than the Clinton Reaganites. Obama is just another insider like Hillary and both were selected for us by the media. Lets see, first the Supreme Court tells me who the President is and then Hardball.
Edwards stumped for Lamont and has reached out to us. I am supporting Edwards. If the doesn’t make it, then we can keep our money and fund real Democrats in real congressional and local races. Hillary and Obama can use their star powered rockets to fund their campaigns.
This is exactly right. Does everyone forget his dismissive remarks about Daily Kos and the diary full of condescending admonitions he posted at Kos’s site? Memories are remarkably short.
campaign today. I did not contribute. Obama isn’t speaking up. I heard Clark on a long Democracy Now interview today. He is waiting for something to happen before he announces, but would not say what it was. He sounds like a politician to me.
I tend to like Edwards. The Iowa primary is an insider game played by either party insiders or chosen ones but it isn’t a popular vote. It is too easy to manipulate that kind of selection process for me to invest at this early date.
How can Obama create such a coalition when he just triangulated on Ed Schultz’s show?
Vertex 1 – “full-throated expression of opposition”
Vertex 2 – stay the coarse
Obama’s triangulated point – we need 60 votes, but I am running for President
He disgusts me.
Hillary Clinton does not now, and never has had a chance to get the nomination. She will not win one primary. Her candidacy is a construct of the Washington media gang–who have been wrong about everything and are totally out of touch with what’s going on in the country–and the Republican power structure–who truly understand the depths to which they demonized her in the past, and the ease with which they will be able to renew that whole mess.
It only surprises me that the blogs are lately beginning to take those poll numbers seriously.
They won’t convert into primary votes — no way!
Polls are actually very accurate when you look back at how elections turn out.
You’ll live! Sorry but all this advocacy of “opinion polls” as the basis of news (or anything) is really annoying.
Opinions are annoying.
o·pin·ion (ə-pĭn’yən) n.
A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).
Most opinions are based on ignorance.
So what the fuck do we care about polls of beliefs that are held with confidence but not substantiated with positive knowledge or proof?
Especially since we KNOW that the last several elections were STOLEN and some of the THIEVES are now in prison while MOST of the criminals they elected are still in office.
To focus the news machine on opinion polls about the next election’s candidates and not deal with the systemic pathologies in our so-called Democracy is pure insanity.
And that is my OPINION.
Hah.
[W]hat the fuck do we care about polls of beliefs that are held with confidence but not substantiated with positive knowledge or proof?
Back up, now…
“The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).
I believe Elizabeth Drew (in the quotation you thoughtfully provided) gave the answer to your rhetorical question.
What was my rhetorical question?
The question I quoted.
Perhaps I was wrong in taking it to be rhetorical, but I still think Elizabeth Drew answered it.
I guess my point was that it would be sad if our concerns were being driven by opinion polls of unsubstantiated opinions.
Remember how Clinton had Carvelle try to do a coup on Dean right before her big announcement.
They want to run the party.
Obama wants to change politics in which it is more inclusive of people and meets the real needs and not just some ineffective impersonal bemouth. As a former social service person I know where obama is coming from and what he is trying to get at. He wants the people to be able to have government more responsive in helping for real and not just dole out checks.
He wants to build on the promise of the new deal.
Combining the Dean coalition and the African American as well as the populist movements you could build a real force.
In 2 years the netroots has grown incredibly in it’s influence and power.
Obama says he wants it bottom up and he is just the vehicle. he says he cannot do it alone. He has to get big money from the money people but, wants more from the little guys so he is not so beholden to those in power. he wants to remake politics.
You see this promise with what Clinton has to offer and what do you think?