One of the things that the media and, often, the political elite do is to try to put our political discourse in a straitjacket. I’ve always thought that it was a sign of weakness that America created the House Un-American Activities Committee and other like committees. It showed a certain lack of confidence in the superiority of American political and economic institutions to shut down people’s ability to advocate for other systems.
Of course, it’s easy for me to say that sitting here on the other side of the Cold War. But our institutions are strong, and they are superior to other systems that stifle human ingenuity and freedom. When we try to shut off debate we undermine our own greatest strength. That’s why it bothers me that much of what Reverend Wright is being criticized for is saying things that are impolitic. He says that America committed terrorism abroad, so we shouldn’t be surprised that someone came and committed terrorism here in retaliation. That really shouldn’t be an impermissible thing to say. Saying that such a statement is totally out of bounds is really just an insistence that America doesn’t and never has committed acts of terrorism abroad. But that’s a definitional argument. If you want to debate it, you have to define what we mean by ‘terrorism’.
Ayman Zawahiri and Usama Bin Laden were completely explicit that the 9/11 attacks were direct retribution for what they consider to be acts of terrorism. In their 1998 fatwa that declared war on American citizens, they began with this:
No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone.
First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.
If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it.
The best proof of this is the Americans’ continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless. Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million… despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.
So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.
Third, if the Americans’ aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews’ petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there.
Right there in black and white is the rationale for why we were attacked on 9/11. They said nothing about our freedoms or Baywatch or our religion. Now, we do not have to agree with Al Qaeda’s interpretation or characterization of American foreign policy in the Middle East to acknowledge that they are sincere in their analysis. We might even argue that we were justified in our policies regardless of whether people were terrorized and humiliated by them. But we were attacked for our policies and we seem to have a phobia about even discussing that fact, as if it might in some way justify the murder of 3,000 American citizens on 9/11.
You’ll also notice that the fatwa listed America’s attempt to “divert attention from [Israel’s] occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there” as one reason to kill innocent American civilians. No one is allowed to talk about that at all. Again, you can disagree with their interpretation of what Israel is doing, or you can argue that Israel and America are fully justified in doing what they are doing. But it’s right there in the fatwa…we were attacked, in part, because of Israel’s occupation of territory seized in the 1967 war and our support for Israel. We can choose to cover our ears and not talk about it, but it won’t make us any safer to deny the motivations of our enemies.
What’s really happening here is a lack of confidence in the rightness of our policies. Elites are concerned that the American people will not support our foreign policies if they see how directly they put us at risk of retaliation. But if our policies are correct, they can withstand an open debate. Are we willing to spend trillions of dollars and give up our civil liberties and privacy rights to sustain our foreign policy? Can we have a debate about that?
Should we rethink our priorities? How can you rethink if you don’t think?
So, Reverend Wright points out that 9/11 was retaliation. Terrorism begets terrorism. But we can’t allow him to say that because we don’t agree that we committed any terrorism. Fine. But whatever you call it, we committed something. And that something caused us to get attacked in retribution. Can’t we have an honest conversation about whether we had (or have) good policies without it meaning that the murder of our innocent civilians was justified? The answer is, no. We can’t. We can’t because our elites have no confidence that people will support our foreign policies if they really understand their cost in dollars, security, and our constitutional rights.
This is why I have so much sympathy with Libertarians on foreign policy. But the important point is that Reverend Wright isn’t considered damaging because he’s a black liberation theologian. He’s considered damaging because he said the United States and Israel committed acts of terrorism. And no one is allowed to say that. It’s taboo not because it’s hyperbole. It’s taboo because our elites are afraid to answer the charges in an honest debate.
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and for making this available in orange:
Speaking of elites and honest debate, did you and Steven D hear about those extra-special free tours of Israel for Progressive bloggers? Interesting that one of the orange front pagers was invited on the tour, since none of its frontpagers write about I/P on the front page.
Nowhere are poor, hungry people allowed to steal bread. They starve obeying the law, die a miserable death as law-abiding people, good people. We are right and they are wrong. Please don’t trouble our beautiful minds. We never commit crimes and you shouldn’t either, especially not against us.
Thanks for this short cynicism. It’s all so true. So true. These monsters in the saddle, like Barbara Bush, are reincarnated feudalists. They are still crying over the loss of the servant class before WWII, and are wanking it really hard these days, climbing back on top of a mountain of wealth they’ve created and flaunting their power over the honest classes. They are rotten old flesh, part of the Old Age, and sure to be subsumed in the coming Enlightenment into their own catacombs of memories of the past.
What matters is that there are still some places, like this blog, where there is open debate about these issues. The mainstream media, on the other hand, has shown zero interest in taking these issues seriously.
This sad state of affairs will only change when more and more reasonable Americans stand up to the bullies. You don’t have to agree with him. But Reverend Wright and many other millions of Americans are not terrorist sympathizers or anti-American for being angry at their country. To put it in biblical terms, America has sinned just as all of us have sinned, so why can’t black America love the sinner and not the sin? How dare the GOP and the media dictate to black churches what is acceptable to preach from the pulpits. Are the right-wingers and the media really demanding that black people not show too much anger at America or they will hold the black candidate responsible? Really? And do we really have a Democratic candidate joining in the lecture to black America about how they should FEEL about the country that brought them here as slaves? As if Obama should reject and denounce any black person that was too angry at America. Are we doing that again? If so count me out. And thank you Booman for doing your part in standing up to these bullies.
Because a pastor says anything doesn’t matter to me….I wouldn’t associated anything any pastor says to a member of a church and whoever does is supposing that the attendees are awake. Going to church is not an indicator of living the faith.
for a Wright sermon. I think we can conclude that Obama was awake when he went to church. Obama has called Wright his “mentor”. Do you suppose he was asleep during the mentoring too?
No he wasn’t asleep. Why might anyone think that? Has anyone the gall openly to suggest that either Wright or Obama is or has ever been criminally asocial, dangerous, you know, like blowing up stuff of something, what rabble rousers love to label unAmerican. The whole discussion is about nothing more than scoring political points and appealing to the inexhaustible amount of unfounded fear in this country. That’s why it’s all the more revolting that Mrs. Clinton can’t resist sticking out a foot to stir the muddy waters in her coy, innocent way: who me?
We are playing into the Right Wing evangelical ass kissing when we take pastors seriously. Religion has through most of American history, been kept separate from government. Alas, the drive of the Right to make their evangelical piousness and hypocracy the law of the land is supported by our complicity in overly respecting religiosity in public life.
Reverend Wright’s sermons brought me back to my childhood, when I sat in church listening to our minister, a white man from the deep south, preach impassioned sermons on America’s complicity in war and racism. He was full of love for individuals, but had no love for the system that denied others their lives and their rights.
That was a time when the strong “social gospel” message was preached in mainline Protestant churches. Now the minister in that same church avoids speaking about anything political, for fear of a witch-hunt by conservatives in the congregation. Just as in our political discourse, individuals are sanctioned and vilified if they dare criticize their government in all but the most polite terms, always demurring that, of course, they are patriotic, and wear their flagpin lapel pins to prove it.
God forbid we have a free and honest discussion. Better to keep it all in bounds, keep it safe and avoid saying anything that might offend the thought police.
http://glassbeadcollective.blip.tv/file/784711/
What offends me more than anything, given Wright’s background of service, is the questioning of Wright’s patriotism by the chickenhawks who rule this country in government and in the press.
A quick look through the history of American foreign policy in the twentieth and twenty-first centuries will show a clear pattern of our country throwing its weight around.
(“Blowback”, “The Sorrows of Empire”, and “Nemesis”.) Do the mass media ever mention any of these salient facts or C. Johnson, for that matter?
* Psycho-Killer ITMFA on You Tube says it all, if you can stomach the terrible scenes of Iraqi children suffering the terrible scourge of war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrN5MtBrpZs
*Let us continue on, fellow bloggers, to educate our countrymen. It is the only way to effect change.
Blowback that I believed was allowed to happen.
We’re not allowed to say this either.
http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html
I agree especially if you are referring to 9/11.
… as you have done. Blowback does not explain WTC 7.
47 story steel framed buildings do not fall to rubble in 6.6 seconds from blowback.
Still waiting for the governments story on what happened there.
Lots of pieces that do not fit the official “conspiracy theory”.
Consortium News has a great article on the way debate about the Middle East is stifled.
Why ins’t Robert Parry anchoring the NewsHour????????
“So, Reverend Wright points out that 9/11 was retaliation. Terrorism begets terrorism. But we can’t allow him to say that because we don’t agree that we committed any terrorism. Fine. But whatever you call it, we committed something. And that something caused us to get attacked in retribution. Can’t we have an honest conversation about whether we had (or have) good policies without it meaning that the murder of our innocent civilians was justified? The answer is, no. We can’t.”
All true, BooMan. I can’t poke a hole in any of it, and I’m not inclined to, in any case. But the problem is, with Wright in the spotlight (and again, this has nothing to do with his actually being largely correct about a lot of things) there’s too much serendipity being dropped in Clinton’s lap — and McCain’s — via his views on many diverse matters (developmental psychology, Zionism, etc., as well as hegemony-based, institutional terrorism as a function of US foreign policy, which I do, incidentally, happen to agree with).
Now, as far as Rev. Wright himself is concerned, he may be doing himself some real good within the sphere of his own reputation and his own professional community (as he is well within his rights to do), but he isn’t doing Barack Obama any good at all — not that Obama’s run for the White House is his problem, of course. But in the context of most of us here busting a gut to try to get Obama elected in November, that’s kind of irritating. (Although I wonder now why I ever had to know who Obama’s former pastor was in the first place — I’m an agnostic, after all!)
I thought the Rev. did a good thing with the Moyers appearance, but he looks increasingly apt to hit the margin of diminishing returns with all this. It’s not fair to silence Wright — because he is, for the umpteenth time, correct about a lot on the merits — and it wouldn’t be fair to silence him even if he weren’t, but as you’ve written, it was never going to be easy to get a man with a black father elected president in this country, and this point, Wright is just lengthening those odds. I’ll admit that I have a healthy pragmatist’s streak when it come to electoral politics, so if I’m to be accused of selling out the truth for the benefits of utilitarianism, so be it.
“What’s really happening here is a lack of confidence in the rightness of our policies.”
You couldn’t be more right about that. And that topic extends far beyond the views of a candidate’s former pastor. And in his own small way, Wright has enriched and bolstered the need for these dialogs. Those dialogs, those debates I’m ready to engage in with those who don’t agree with us. But as for Wright in the context of this campaign, well… I think with these comments, I’m officially all Wrighted out. I’m ready to move on to something else, like picking a cabinet for Obama…
This is all extremely silly and I want it to go away as well. But if we do not deal with the underlying issues then another Rev. Wright will simply pop up to replace the current Rev. Wright controversy. The Right-wing and the media will find some other reason to question Obama’s patriotism.
Look. We’ve already had a number of “patriotism” controversies; Obama’s wife did not show the appropriate level of patriotism when she said she thought her country had erred in the past. We’ve had “controversies” about Obama failing to make appropriate displays of his patriotism by not wearing a flag lapel pin or not putting his hand over his heart during God Bless America. We’ve already had the suggestions that Obama has Muslim allegiances and went to a madrassa where he learned from a fiery Muslim preachers. We’ve also had controversies about how he’s associated with other people that “hate” America, the Ayers fellow being one. We know what the GOP and media play book is. In fact, it hasn’t changed in years no matter who the candidate is.
These scurrilous charges have to be fought– directly. It will not go away if we just throw Wright under the bus like Hillary and others want to do. Obama can’t say everything himself but his supporters should be sending all of their fire at the GOP on this issue. They have now made “patriotism” an issue. How bout we take them up on that?