The danger of using the budget reconciliation process to pass health care reform all along was that it wouldn’t work. The administration was careful to include language in the budget that would allow for this procedure, but they neglected to do the same for climate change after Senate Budget leaders Kent Conrad and Judd Gregg warned them off. Contrary to the prevailing narrative among progressives, Bush was not able to do whatever he wanted by using reconciliation.
In 2005, when Gregg chaired the Budget Committee in the GOP-led Congress, Republicans sought to use budget reconciliation to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling. The effort came close to succeeding but collapsed in the House when GOP moderates joined Democrats in opposition.
There is no guarantee that the Democrats can fare any better with their own House ‘moderates.’ However, it is probably their progressive members who pose the biggest obstacle to passing health care reform. That is because many progressives so loath the Senate version of the bill that they are unwilling to pass it in the House. And, passing the Senate bill in the House (without amendment) is now the only way to pass health care reform without using the budget reconciliation process.
Democratic aides say that senior White House officials would prefer the House pass the Senate healthcare bill without changes, which would obviate the need for a second Senate vote on the legislation.
The problem is that many liberal lawmakers in the House don’t like the Senate bill.
To compensate for this opposition, there is a proposal that the House would then pass a second measure making changes to the Senate bill. That measure could then pass through the upper chamber at a later date under special budgetary rules known as reconciliation, which allow legislation to pass with a simple majority.
Since Democrats and allied independents still control 59 seats, strategists believe it would be relatively easy to pass a second measure that would contain compromises reached between Senate and House negotiators, such as a limit on the tax imposed on high-cost insurance plans.
But Democratic lawmakers were split Tuesday evening over the prospect of passing the Senate bill and hoping for a later fix.
Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) said the Senate healthcare bill and the accompanying fix under reconciliation would have to be passed in tandem.
“It would have to be so quick that it would have happen at the same time,” Weiner said.
Actually, it would be impossible to do both bills at the same time, but what Weiner really means is that the trust level is so low that progressives would need some serious commitments and reassurance to sign off on the Senate bill in return for a reconciliation process later on. To my thinking, that reassurance would have to come in the form of a promise to fight to see that the reconciliation process can actually garner majorities in both Houses. It’s not enough to promise a vote. However, even in the best of times it was not a slam-dunk that the Democrats have 50 members in the Senate willing to use the reconciliation process for heath care. These are not the best of times.
It pains me to say it, but any progressives who think we will get more progressive outcomes in this Congress by allowing the Republicans to completely kill health care reform are just plain wrong. On the other side, any moderates who think the Senate health care plan is more popular than the progressive alternatives simply cannot read polling data. The path should be clear. Pass the Senate version and then make it more populist through the reconciliation process, and whip that vote like your presidency and your majorities depend upon it.
Let’s go.
Pass the Senate version and then make it more populist through the reconciliation process, and whip that vote like your presidency and your majorities depend upon it.
Therein lies the rub. How is Reid(and Obama) going to get the Senate to go along with it? In the end, the problem really isn’t the House. It’s getting Senate Democrats to agree to the fixes. Because I’ll guarantee you something. If there is no HCR bill at all, or if the Senate bill passes and there are no fixes done before November, there will be a serious bloodbath come election day. And Harry Reid can kiss his Senate Majority Leader status goodbye because he won’t even be in the Senate anymore.
Yep. They are toast if they can’t pass health reform, after spending a YEAR on it.
Obama will have to get seriously involved. No more standing back and letting Congress legislate on their own — that strategy failed. He needs to hold a caucus meeting and explain exactly what he wants.
1. House pass Senate HCR bill
AND
2. House and Senate pass reconciliation bill to fix the excise tax, add a Medicare buy-in or national public option.
If need be, wait to pass the Senate HCR bill until the Senate passes the reconciliaton measure. This can be done by the end of February, early March.
There comes a point when a President simply has to strong-arm people. Either they succeed together, or they will get crushed as they scamper to their different corners.
Whether or not we buy the claim that this is all Reid’s fault (which I don’t), the first thing that has to happen is that he resigns as majority leader. A need to turn his attention to his own troubled state will make a credible explanation. But whether it’s his fault or not, he failed. He is not the one who can play the Senate “rules” like a chainsaw/scalpel combo tool. The outcome can’t be sidetracked into a drama about his redemption. He has to go. Now.
And then the Dems have to call an end to the “reaching out” attempt. It’s time to turn that failure into an asset by going all out on the GOP as lockstep obstructionists whose only goal is to sabotage the government of the United States. They were given more than enough rope to prove otherwise, not it’s time to cut them out of the herd.
And then it’s time to use every trick in the Senate book to ram through legislation that Americans overwhelmingly want, the same way Bush got us into two wars without the Senate doing its legal duty at all. Senate “rules” are not law. Now it’s the Dems’ turn to forget that such a thing is said to exist.
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/01/frank_health_ca.php
Not really sure what the hell is going to happen…
Barney needs to get his head out of his ass.
my thoughts exactly.
“a newly willing ally” right. I put that up there with yesterday’s dose of stupid:
And i thought i was smoking good weed, these guys must have a hotline to jamaica.
I thought he had more political smarts than that. Caving in immediately?
I can see why so many gay rights groups are disgusted with Frank’s go slow approach. He has no guts, none.
“Change is hard.” Remember.
And clarifying. There has been striking transparency in DC on healthcare, and the voters don’t like what they see from any of the players.
Voters aren’t as dumb as portrayed. The voted for Obama to change DC. But the behind the scenes deals, no matter how pragmatic, meant that he was not changing DC.
And if the economy has not recovered and no one cares if there is significant unemployment and foreclosures and medical bankruptcies for several more years, the voters will do what the folks with underwater mortgages do. Just walk away. And they are just short of walking away from national politics. “Let the crooks fight it out without my vote. They are going to screw the little guy anyway.” And the crooks are paying big money to manipulate this mood — from co-opting it with a “Tea Party” movement (corporate-funded FreedomWorks) and faux populism (pickup trucks and sports and hired folks with handprinted signs), the crooks are trying to send hope into despair. So the public won’t watch, won’t complain, and will leave them alone.
These are the best of times because the crooks haven’t succeeded in locking to door yet. (Contrary to the opinions of the third party folks who love to quote George Wallace.)
Democrats in Congress need to decide which side they are on. If they remain on the side of the crooks, there will be a fractured caucus because each of the crooks has a different interest; if they move to the side of the people there will be unity because they can be assured that the response will be success in the fall election. If the Democrats in Congress have the will to get it done, it will get done; if not, there will be fewer Democrats in Congress. Because I don’t see progressives for all of their “to the barricades” talk actually seizing the opportunities of picking up Congressional seats where Blue Dogs are going down nor do I see them doing in Republican strongholds what Brown did in Massachusetts.
It’s a shame, because there is the possibility of there being more progressive Democrats in Congress after 2010. But most of the rhetoric is self-limiting, self-fulfilling prophecy.
Change also takes longer than one year. So many people are about to throw the Dems under the bus for lack of progressive purity.
I agree it’s time to go for broke on a truly good HCR bill. You’ve got nothing left at this point.
Well, other than 59 votes in the Senate and 59% of the House.
Around here, it is not lack of progressive purity that is losing Democrats support. They have lost support by allowing the most compromised and corrupt members of the Democratic caucus to dictate the contents of the healthcare bill. Right, left, or center, independents are saying “Throw the bums out; they are all crooks.”
People who have lost jobs and houses and fear a health care mandate are not political purists. They are hurting, resent “trickle down” which comes across as nothing more than “piss upon.” Wall St. scoops up their bonuses and what are average people left with? Nothing. They are not purists, they are hard core realists.
Actually I think they generally do believe in trickle down, but it’s not working so for now, something else.
“It pains me to say it, but any progressives who think we will get more progressive outcomes in this Congress by allowing the Republicans to completely kill health care reform are just plain wrong. On the other side, any moderates who think the Senate health care plan is more popular than the progressive alternatives simply cannot read polling data. The path should be clear. Pass the Senate version and then make it more populist through the reconciliation process, and whip that vote like your presidency and your majorities depend upon it.
Let’s go.”
Any chance we can find, kidnapp, and tattoo that on Rahm Emmanual’s chest?
What pains me more than anything is the very, VERY clear path here. There’s only 2 directions to go now…down a road or off a cliff. It’s shocking, it’s completely shocking, that Dems don’t realize the correct way to go. I know they are stupid…but they continue to surprise at just how timid, weak, and stupid they really are.
That Sally Quinn Beltway™ acoustic insulation works real well doesn’t it?
When you talk to them at home, they are not stupid. It’s just when they get inside the Beltway….
The only faith that I have in HCR actually passing is that it would be political suicide for the Democrats if it does not. I could write the Ads for the GOP if Dems run away from passing reform now.
I disagree with the strategy of the Firebaggers but it would be nice to see the President actually poke a public fight on some issue and display conviction. It would fire up the base, put Republicans on the defensive and create catnip frenzy in the media. It is so difficult to persuade people in conversations when I am unable to clearly point to President’s actions and only have to fight off negative perceptions from all walks of life. People do not understand the filibuster or super majority and nobody really cares.
The WH needs to name names of those against change, define their intentions, and convince the American people that they are fighting for them. It is political perception 101. I witnessed Obama do this masterfully for so long and this “lets all get along with GOP for better of country kumbaya dance” has been hard lesson for him to learn. The footsie with Gang of 6 ass holes was a mistake of monumental proportions. Someone should get fired by advocating that strategy.
It would be nice if the WH would finally unleash OFA like it did in the campaign to go after the opponents. The political tug of war fight never ends and I wish our team leaders would realize this hard cold fact. The Republicans sure get it.
Where is leader that gambled with the race speech in Philadelphia? Where is the political genius that out hustled Hillary with a delegate strategy? Where is the man that remained calm against McCain’s continual freak outs and struck when the time was right? This risk aversive governing crap has deflated his own supporters, lost control of the message with the public, and allowed the Teabaggers new life.
I want the man back that was portrayed in the famous 2008 picture caption, “Everyone Chill the Fuck Out, I got this.”
http://www.freewilliamsburg.com/archives/i%20got%20this.jpg
As it is currently constructed it would be political suicide to pass the Senate bill.
Better to let the Republicans go on record as against insuring the fifty million without insurance. Let them filibuster against child healthcare.
The artificial 60-vote threshold is a self-defeating limit. Let the Republicans argue endlessly against things that Americans want. Embrace Republican filibustering. Brown may be good with off-the-cuff remarks but put a phonebook in front of him and tell him he’s got to talk for the next five hours. I’m old enough to remember real filibusters. The filibusterers always wear out their welcome on the political landscape.
He cannot “unleash OFA” because OFA is hollow.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2010/1001.homans.html
Clap all you want. Tinkerbell isn’t coming back to life.
Option A: Pass Senate bill, take lumps in November.
Option B: Don’t pass anything, take lumps in November.
That’s it.
Voters are against a mandate to force people to buy private insurance by 2 to 1. Voters would go along with a mandate if there was a public option, though.
So am I getting this right, that the best thing to do is force mandating private insurance, forcing the taxing of people without insurance (which is wildly unpopular with independents and all parties) and NOT offer a public option because of what reason? Because you know better than the majority of Americans, who are against what came out of the Senate. And that people will understand that although it’s currently a monstrosity we’re powerless to fix now we’ll be able to fix it up later?
The inclusion of the private insurance mandate wasn’t put in on behalf of the voters, it was done by the senators who have been paid off by the insurance industry, and Lieberman killed off the public option.
You want to fix this? The House needs something with a public option and then pass it through reconciliation. Otherwise, admit that the current crop of Democratic senators are so beholden to insurance companies that they might as well be Republicans and walk away from the mess.
Anyhow, Ezra Klein nails the issue here:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/01/obama_at_year_one_the_end_of_t.html
“ass the Senate version and then make it more populist through the reconciliation process, and whip that vote like your presidency and your majorities depend upon it.”
The trouble is I just can’t imagine Obama doing this. It doesn’t fit his style of staying above the fray, being the adult, but not getting his hands dirty while the congress thrashes things out. I hope to be proven wrong.