Not so long ago any article touting the EU as an example of clear leadership would have been heading for the spike anywhere except perhaps on The Onion or the Waterford Whisperer – see current lead on “thousand’s of British refugees make dangerous journey across the Irish Sea”…
However the Brexit campaign has all the trappings of a train wreck as far as the UK is concerned, and for once the EU is acting quickly, clearly, and with one voice. As Bernard has documented, EU leaders are pressing for a quick resolution. In effect, they are saying that there is only one process, Article 50, by which a member state may leave the EU, and all else is hot air and silly manoeuvring. Without the invocation of article 50, the Brexit referendum was an entirely internal UK affair of no legal consequence within the EU.
The EU is of course an interested observer of the political goings on in member states, and must do contingency planning, but no more than that. The UK could reverse it’s decision, either by a second referendum or election, or simply by Parliament deciding to ignore the referendum, and it will formally be an internal UK matter. That is why the EU has also rejected overtures from the SNP to begin discussions on Scotland remaining within the EU. It would be the diplomatic equivalent of opening discussions with Catalonia if done before Scotland formally becomes an independent and applicant state.
Of course, in the real world, lots of informal discussions take place in the background all the time. All sorts of understandings and informal agreements may be in the process of being reached. But if the UK thinks it can again game the system and reach some kind of enhanced renegotiated position by threatening to invoke Article 50, it is in for a rude awakening. EU leaders are not buying it any more. You are in or out. You decide.
In providing this clear response EU leaders are also providing a clear riposte to the Brexiteers’ cant that the EU will only be falling over itself to provide favourable exit terms to the UK because of the UK’s importance as an economy and a market in its own right. Some Brexiteers actually argued that the EU needs the UK more than the other way around.
The economic costs of the uncertainty created by the referendum are also overwhelmingly asymmetric in the EU’s favour. Very few businesses invest in (say) Portugal in order to gain access to the UK market. It is nearly always the other way around. The Irish Government has already made it very clear that it is ready, willing and able to facilitate any new investment or re-location of UK businesses that require access to the EU market.
The UK gets c. €30 Billion in FDI p.a. to the Irish Republic’s €5 Billion, so even if 10% of UK bound FDI decides to hedge its bets and head for the nearest English speaking centre with a proven track record and ready made infrastructure, then that will be a major boost for Ireland even if small in EU and UK terms.
The longer this uncertainty goes on, the more it will favour the EU. Thousands of business decisions made every day will cumulatively add up to a delay in investments in the UK, the diversion of some projects to other EU markets, and the occasional high profile re-location of existing business from the UK. I wouldn’t worry too much about the immediate short term impact of this: it may be mildly recessionary, but it is the cumulative long term impact that will be extremely damaging to the UK, and it will only partially be off-set by the devaluation of the £.
The advantage of Article 50 from everyone’s point of view is that it sets out a clear timescale for any negotiated exit, thus reducing long term uncertainty. Some businesses may be prepared to wait that long to see how things pan out before making major changes to current investment plans.
The disadvantage from the UK’s point of view is that if no agreement is reached within that timescale it will be out without any kind of preferential treatment whatsoever. I could see little obvious progress being made for the first 21 months putting extreme pressure on negotiators as the deadline approaches. Brinkmanship is the name of the game in any difficult negotiation.
I could see Ireland being very concerned about the re-creation of border checkpoints and customs control at the North South border and other member states might also have their own red line issues, but the negotiations will be conducted on the basis of qualified majority voting on the Council. There is also no provision, under Article 50 for an application to leave the EU to be subsequently withdrawn. It is a one way ticket out of the EU with no guarantee of any kind of an amicable divorce settlement.
In the meantime, the political atmosphere in the UK could become very febrile as uncertainty wrecked havoc with consumer spending and investment decisions. The prospect of 2 Million elderly expats returning would put more pressure on the NHS than immigrants ever did.
Another UK referendum or general election on the terms of exit seems a very likely outcome. The current Labour Party heave against Corbyn may in part be motivated by the fact that with Cameron gone, Osborne in hiding, and the Lib Dems largely irrelevant, there is no effective leadership left in place anywhere to represent the 48% of voters who voted Remain. It is the UKIP and Scottish nationalists who have clear and unambiguous positions easily understood by the electorate and with a democratic mandate. All else are in disarray.
The problem is that it is difficult to identify ANY Labour leader with significant name recognition, standing, or ability to articulate a clear policy position. Why hasn’t Labour, as the main opposition party campaigning for Remain, articulated a clear set reforms they would require if the UK were to remain in the EU? And if Labour is now going to “accept the verdict of the people”, change its policy, and compete for the Leave vote, what differentiates it from UKIP and Tory euro-sceptics? Why would anyone wishing to leave the EU vote for Labour and not the real UKIP Leave candidate?
Fascinating dilemma for all parties except UKIP and Lib-Dems. Although UKIP is going to have some difficulties now the NHS funding lie of the Leave campaign has been exposed.
Can’t think of anything even roughly similar to this that has occurred in US politics. In CA were accustomed to do-over propositions, but that’s when they fail to pass the first time and odds aren’t much better on subsequent attempts.
The only thing I can think of is 1860.
Really I don’t agree with the diarist about the symmetrical impact. The European Markets have been hit harder than the UK ones.
The Guardian – Boris Johnson reaches out for party support in Tory leadership bid
To recap — Cameron offered a Brexit referendum if “leavers” returned the Tories to power in 2015. Huge Troy win. His expectation was that Brexit would fail which was also what Cameron Tories wanted and the referendum position they campaigned for. Except for the renegade Brexit Tory, Boris Johnson.
UKIP — the white Brit nationalists were strongly for “Leave.” The party fared poorly in the 2015 elections in gaining MP seats, but gained voter strength.
Lib-Dems were the big loser. Those that bolted went to UKIP or CON. Officially the Lib-Dems supported Remain.
Green Party significantly increased its vote share in 2015 but only manage to get one MP. Firmly in the Remain camp.
This left Labour between a rock and a hard place. If Remain won the referendum, it strengthened Cameron and the Tories. OTOH, Labour supported Remain. Cameron created the issue by lying to the public about the source of his government’s imposition of austerity and then cynically using a very serious matter for his own political gain. Labour, institutionally, was stuck being responsible and rescuing Cameron.
Somewhat like liberals and Democratic politicians forced to be responsible and go along with the initial bankster bailout when GWB was still in office. A risk existed that it could rescued GWB and McCain (not in reality because it was only the latest of GOP/GWB screw-ups and a majority was never going to choose a guy that chose on idiot for his running mate).
RT – `You’ve never done a proper job in your lives!’ Farage booed as he mocks EU parliament
Unfortunately, he’s also hitting some true and correct notes:
reference link
Matt Lauer buys Richard Gere’s $36m Hamptons compound
The first draft of this diary referred to Ireland or other member states vetoing any proposed agreement on the conditions for the UK leaving the EU. In fact the negotiations will be conducted by qualified majority voting on the Council (see text of Article 50 below) and a national veto can only be applied to a request for an extension of the two year negotiating period. I have amended the text of the diary accordingly.
Article 50
Article 49 requires that members agree unanimously to the accession or re-accession of an applicant member state, so if the UK decided to reapply for membership it would need the unanimous approval of all existing members. Ironically, the UK might find it harder to join the EU than Turkey in those circumstances!
So the withdrawal agreement can take no longer than two years from the day Article 50 is invoked. Boris caused me to think the negotiations will or must take two years. Boy, he really doesn’t want to have his grubby hands on these negotiations, so it’s an anxious “no hurry!!” from him.
Thanks for the updates. Events appear to be adjusting your views, eh?
Looking like it may be a while before Article 50 is invoked. See this:
Former civil service chief says Brexit withdrawal negotiations should not start until 2017.
Upshot is that it will take a while to get a new PM and cabinet settled in, as well as new frontbenchers. At least that’s how the argument goes. So maybe by spring next year?
The move to push out Corbyn is just a power struggle as the Blairites want the leftists gone. “Not pushing for Remain enough” is almost an amusing excuse, as the night of the referendum there were articles going out saying he’d pushed too hard for Remain and that was going to cause defections to UKIP, like the hard Labor push for Union in 2014 cost them Scotland. Then once Leave won suddenly there’s all this talk about how Corbyn was too lax and should have been sharing Labour mailing lists with Cameron to help out Remain and such nonsense.
It has nothing to do with anything Corbyn did in the referendum, and everything to do with Blairites trying to get the party officially supporting airstrikes in Syria and welfare cuts.
I suspect the Blairites have a goal in mind: ditch the leftists and then pick up the pro-EU Tories when the Tory party splits over Brexit. That would give them the “Centrist” position against the UKIP or Tory rump, and whatever party the leftists decamped for. Hopefully Corbyn has enough grassroots support to stop it.
○ The Blairites Caused This Mess
○ Labour Coup Planned for Months
From the Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/28/diane-abbott-leadership-must-be-decided-by-party-mem
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I don’t dispute your analysis – or Oui’s- but I think there is more too it than a simple faction fight. Who is going to represent the 48% who voted remain and provide leadership for all the disaffected pro-Remain Tory MP’s marooned by a BoJo leadership? Corbyn was always anti-EU until he became Labour leader. His embrace of the EU since then has been luke warm at best. He simply doesn’t make a convincing or inspiring leader for a Remain position.
We will have BoJo and Farage leading the Brexit camp. I doubt there is much space on that side for Labour to muscle in, even if many of their traditional voters have defected to that side. On the remain side, you have only the Lib Dems and pro-EU Tories.. That is where the growth market is as the Brexit case disintegrates into chaos.
The tragedy is that there is a very strong left case to be made for the EU, but Corbyn has never succeeded in making it. The bigger tragedy is that the UK has led the charge pushing the EU in a neo-liberal direction and now the UK or any UK leader has zero credibility or bargaining power to push the EU back into a more “social market” or leftward direction. If Corbyn wants to reform the EU into a more social democratic or socialist direction, who will listen to him now in the UK or EU?
Instead he wants to “respect the result of the election” and change Labour into a defacto Brexit party. The Blairites are not alone in opposing that and it is difficult to see why anyone would vote for a pro-Brexit Labour if they can vote for the real thing in UKIP. They don’t even have to overcome their traditional distaste for all things Tory to do so. And who do the 48% Remainers vote for?
From the Tory playbook readied months ago …
British establishment rearing its ugly head – holding the EU Hostage!
Unbelievable, just listened to Osborne’s speech and watched a few Tory MPs talking about willing to negotiate from a position of strength … using the voluntary decision to invoke Article 50 to force preferential trade deals with the EU after Brexit. The Eton elitists and arrogance know no limit. Thank you Brits for the vote, don’t let the door hit you on the a$$ exiting Europe and please … never return!
Suggestion by Tory leadership immediately shot down by Berlin …
○ Brexit: Germany rules out informal negotiations | BBC News | [11 min. ago]
Full coverage in my diary – Europe’s Founders Call for Unity and Peace After Brexit.
This has big fat zip to do with Corbyn’s stance on Brexit. They were gearing up to attack him for being to strong for Remain right up until the results started coming in. In any case the Labour MPs are overwhelmingly against Brexit – the party won’t need to whip them for any votes that come up in Parliament. Chances are any legislation the Tories put up will be officially opposed by Labour on procedural grounds anway (needs to be a Parliamentary election first, etc.)
Also, for Labour to go hard for Remain is the death of Labour as a leftish party. If they drive the Leavers from the party they’ll have no chance of winning elections ever unless the Tories eject their Remainers, and that Labour would be a neoliberal wet dream, pursing policies pretty much like Cameron’s. A far better approach is to say Brexit is unworkable, the referendum is a sham, and try other approaches to address the concerns of the Leavers.
Very complicated as to how Labour actually divided on the question of Leave:Remain.
So, I asked myself what seemed like a simple question, what were the referendum results in the MP’s constituencies and how does it compare with the 2015 election results? And how did the Labour MPs perform within their constituencies. Unfortunately, the referendum results were reported by “counting areas” which don’t line up with general election constituencies. Therefore, it’s not even known how Cameron and Johnson’s constituencies voted on the referendum.
Might be possible to make guesstimates from the data. As poor at that evidence would be, it would probably be better than the charges and counter charges being flung around by the MPs of Labour, Con, and UKIP.
The Labour MPs are overwhelmingly against Brexit. I agree it’s very important to know how their constituencies voted to evaluate the chance that a very pro-EU Parliament will give in to the voters and actually vote Brexit, and it’s a pity the reporting makes it difficult (I wanted to look too and hit the same roadblock you did.) My take, though, is that with an overwhelmingly pro-EU Parliament, a narrow referendum win for Leave, and a unknown and hazardous exit process, there’s just no way Parliament will vote for Brexit. It will be close for show-vote reasons, because few MP for a Leave constituency will want to cast a public vote to stay, but in the end I don’t think the MPs will let it happen.
I really don’t think the referendum in the end will make much difference for a Brexit happening. Given that the Tory leadership is mostly against, I think it will only happen if UKIP is in government. A UKIP majority government would have forced it through anyway. The difference is that before a weak UKIP minority or UKIP-Tory alliance probably couldn’t have passed it before and now they probably could.
Never a good idea to predict the outcome of a jury trial.
I have to been able to piece together one “counting area” that tells a story that the Labour coup leaders are denying.
Islington – 2015 general election:
North – Labour 60.2% – GRN 10.2%
South – Labour 50.3% – GRN 7.6%
Balance CON, Lib-Dem, and UKIP in that order.
Green Party was strongly Remain. The Lib-Dems are claiming they too strongly favored Remain, but considering that 2015 Lib-Dem defectors split CON and UKIP, I don’t put any weight on this party’s claim.
Referendum – combined N. and S Islington: Remain 75.2%
That referendum result is not possible if Labour didn’t hold onto most (all?) of its constituency.
(Also not the S. Islington MP Emily Thornberry is sticking with Corbyn.
From the BBC, 63% of labor voted to remain.
As I demonstrated with Islington, no way would Remain have garnered 75% if 37% of Labour chose Leave. But that’s Corbyn’s turf.
Leeds, Hilary Benn’s turf, gave Labour a 55% majority in 2015 (and Greens were at 7.9%). Similar Labour strength as that in Islington. Remain held but only at 50.3%. So, Benn had no leg to stand on when he trashed Corbyn over the election results.
Corbyn was by what I read in the British Press a disaster. Not all of the resignations according to the Guardian are from the Blair wing of the Party.
A tip — The Guardian is better for honest reporting on US politics/elections than it is for the same in the UK. They, along with all media sources to their right have been trashing Corbyn since he was elected. Why the Blairites (and there were holdovers in the shadow cabinet) chose this time to attempt a coup is because they believe they can hang Leave around Corbyn’s and take advantage the the Tory divide and sneak back into the majority as the center-right party.
While the dynamics have been different in the US, the divisions are the same. Difference is that the Brits have had enough of Blair and Democrats remain in denial and still love the Clintons.
Did you see that Hillary as SOS wanted to hire Blair? Guess his grifts aren’t working as well as that of the
Clintons. But how outrageous even to consider putting him on the USG payroll. Okay — she did that with a couple others, but they weren’t high profile.
Her trust in PM Tony Blair on the Iraq War and her record for military intervention in Libya and Syria, makes her a corporate tool of MIC.
A natural ally of and representative as a Blairite. Her letter started the no-confidence vote to remove Jeremy Corbyn as party leader
before the coming General Election.
“If we’d had that strong, effective, decisive leadership, that might have made a difference.”
More and more there is a comparison between the people’s choice Jeremy Corbyn, the advocates of the Tony Blair years as Labour leader and in the U.S. election between Bernie Sanders and the policy of DINO HRC. Look at the voting track records of two main actors to remove Corbyn [duplicate of HRC in U.S. Congress and as Secretary of State] ….
Read my full comment in my diary – European Security Compact Initiative After Brexit – ‘Leaked Memo’.
Another teaser from behind the curtains of the Labor Party:
In the 2015 leadership election, Margaret Hodge nominated and voted for Liz Kendall.
○ Labour leadership contest in 2015: Margaret Hodge tells ‘union barons’ to ‘shut up’ and stop interfering
○ Make Labour’s rules up as you go along is still the 4.5%er preference | Left Futures |
Two-thirds majority in Hull voted for Brexit … people left behind, the failure of Westminster politics for decades!
Blaming it on Jeremy Corbyn? The viciousness of the Blairites in the Labour Party is quite disturbing.
○ View from Wales: town showered with EU cash votes to leave EU- UK | The Guardian |
Difference between the UK and US is that elected PMs can publicly go after those they oppose while in the US politicians use surrogates and bloggers. dKos has become a HillFan toxic waste dump.
All across Europe in a multiple party parliamentary system, the major parties are slpitting into factions. Could be part of the digital society and individualisering … the party needs to meet the demands of a changing electorate. The Dutch electoral system in becoming clogged with multiple parties vying to please voters … taylor made policy platforms. Even a party specifically for animal rights and the elderly citizens. In the UK there is a multiple party system, however with district representation it’s not a majority rule or equal representation. The votes for a third party candidate are lost to the two major brands: Conservatives and Labour. In his analysis, the author sees the disenfranchisement of voters leading to anger and the feeling the politicians of Westminster are not listening and do not care. Mainly political parties are moving to the right due to the populist anti-immigration groups and to keep voters engaged.
Both Pim Fortuyn and Geert Wilders got the early support from left-wing voters from Labour. As xenophobia and fear of refugees became common discourse in the press and on social media, the right-wing support broadened to the middle-class and well educated persons.
It’s truly an agony to see each MP interpret the result of the EU referendum for pure self-interest. How long can representatives of the people keep fooling themselves? Same on the European level where the leaders of 28-1 nations of the EU meet. No consensus and no direction. In Westminster, the backbenchers thought the moment ripe for a hatchet day. So sad as the world howls and cries for missing out on opportunities to put in place a strategy to close the gap of inequality. The establishment candidate won the presidential nomination for the Democrats in the US, the Labour MPs will offer their leader Corbyn on the altar to appease their gods of corporations and military might (i.e. war). The financial crisis will broaden and worsen bedore politicians sit down and work on solving the acute problems in society.
○ Dutch Labour party (PvdA) has been decimated in the polls
Ann Pettifor
Brexit much funnier than what Cameron had to screw to earn his stripes to the elite club.
○ Jeremy Corbyn is met with shouts of “resign, resign” during the Commons debate plus video
meh — wouldn’t expect anything different from an audience dominated by Tories who couldn’t even figure our if they were for or against Brexit.