Not long after he was shit-canned for having an affair, former DCI David Petraeus explained to Congress that the Intelligence Community deliberately omitted any public reference to any terrorist organizations that might have been involved in the Benghazi attack because they were protecting sources and methods.
The recently resigned spy chief explained that references to terrorist groups suspected of carrying out the violence were removed from the public explanation of what caused the attack so as not to tip off the groups that the U.S. intelligence community was on their trail. …
“There was an interagency process to draft it, not a political process,” Schiff said. “They came up with the best assessment without compromising classified information or source or methods. So changes were made to protect classified information.”
The Republicans conveniently ignore this central fact over and over again. “You lied to us!” they scream and pout, without acknowledging that there was a reason, and the reason was that the Intelligence Community did not want the culprits to know what we knew about them.
I don’t think rational people could anticipate that anyone would care whether our ambassador and three other people were killed by a mob of angry protesters or a pre-planned attack by militants. In either case, it was obvious that security was inadequate. In either case, it was clear that we needed to be more concerned about rabidly anti-American sentiment on the Libyan street.
And a lot of blame was available to spread around. On the Republicans’ part, they had made steep cuts to the State Department’s budget for security.
For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program — well below the $2.15 billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012.
(Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.
Ryan, Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.
This lack of funding doesn’t absolve the people at the State Department in charge of embassy and consulate security of responsibility for what happened in Benghazi, but it does help us understand the constraints they were trying to overcome. In any case, four people lost their jobs after it was determined that they didn’t show enough “pro-active leadership.” We could argue that Republicans like Paul Ryan didn’t show enough pro-active leadership when they continued to hammer away at the budget for diplomatic security year after year without stopping to think that it could get some of our people killed. I mean, isn’t that just a fair and balanced way of looking at things?
But our side didn’t leap to assign blame to Paul Ryan for the tragedy in Benghazi, even though he was then a candidate for vice-president. It was the Republicans who decided to politicize the issue over the basically irrelevant issues of whether the attack was spontaneous or pre-planned, and whether a YouTube video incited people or it was our mere presence in Libya that angered them. Why are these distinctions so important?
For me, the only thing that is of any concern at all is that the Intelligence Community decided to withhold some of what they knew and thereby misled the public. They say it was to protect sources and methods. Cynics say it was to protect the president’s reelection prospects. The truth is that normal decent people could not anticipate that the Republicans would so shamelessly politicize the issue and therefore had no reason to create some kind of false narrative about issues that no sane person would think important.
Just try to imagine if the president had decided to react to the death of our ambassador by blaming it on Paul Ryan’s budget cuts. Imagine if he had basically dropped most of his other campaign talking points just to hammer Ryan every day for getting our people killed with his shitty priorities. He didn’t do that.
Please, proceed, Darrell Issa.
I’m quite critical of these partisan House hearings and I can’t grasp the errors made in the testimony by Gregory Hicks. I hate it when a guy gets so emotional he chokes up and tears while giving testimony about the attacks. He refers to twitter accounts as a claim he knew that night it was a terror attack executed by Ansar Al-Sharia. He also stated the [El Jala] hospital where Ambassador Stevens was take was run by this terror group. This is not the information I wrote about in the days after the attacks on our Benghazi mission. The district in Benghazi where the mission was located and the responsibility for the local hospital was a militant group 17th February Martyrs Brigade.
See my diary – US Congress, Benghazi and the Blame Game Again.
Is Hicks on the up-and-up? Or is he helping the GOP on this stuff?
Well, as BooMan pointed out a day or two ago, Hicks’ chief attorneys in this case are the most viciously partisan Republicans on Earth, so that doesn’t inspire confidence.
Then, in today’s hearing, Hicks was all choked up as he said we need to get to the bottom of what killed the four Americans “on behalf of the families of Ambassador Stevens (and the others)”.
My flashing red light went off at that point. Because, if Mr. Hicks truly cared about the Stevens family, it would have been best if he had called them before testifying. He probably would have heard something like this:
“The father of Chris Stevens, the U.S. ambassador to Libya who was murdered in a terrorist attack in Benghazi last month, has said it would be ‘abhorrent’ to turn his son’s death into political fodder in the battle for the White House.
‘It would really be abhorrent to make this into a campaign issue,’ said Jan Stevens, 77. ‘The security matters are being adequately investigated.
‘We don’t pretend to be experts in security. It has to be objectively examined. That’s where it belongs. It does not belong in the campaign arena.’
Mr Stevens said he had been getting regular briefings from the State Department on progress in the investigation – a contrast with the mother of Sean Smith, another of the four U.S. personnel killed in Benghazi, who has complained she was being kept in the dark.
He was speaking in a telephone interview from his home in Loomis, California, as he made preparations for a memorial service for his son due to be held next week…
Mr Stevens stopped short of openly criticizing Romney, who the Obama campaign have accused of of seeking to gain political advantage from a tragedy.
‘I’m not sure exactly what he’s been saying and not saying, but our position is it would be a real shame if this were politicised,’ said Stevens.
‘Our concern now is memorialising Chris and remembering his contribution to the country.'”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218117/Father-Ambassador-Chris-Stevens-says-abhorrent-play-
politics-sons-death-Benghazi.html
So, whether we blame Hicks’ astounding lack of political smarts (hard to believe from a senior government official) or a lack of good faith on his part, Hicks’ testimony will not help in our search for justice and better security practices. Issa and his kkkrew don’t give a shit about those things.
Two critical facts here:
Petraeus was shit-canned for compromising secret information and for putting himself in a compromising position. The affair was the means.
Ambassador Stevens and the CIA station chief, respectively, had responsibility for security at the Benghazi facilities. If there were misjudgements, it was theirs.
Whitewater worked for them 20 years ago. If I were the President, I would be forewarned to expect that some ladies are going to be throwing themselves at him in the near future. They will not be his friends.
The Republicans in the House are desperate for something-anything to change the subject from their failure to reach agreement in their caucus. And consequently their being the proximate cause of the sorry state of the economy.
The even enlisted Dick Cheney to run interference in the media for them. That is real desperation. Will the fever break or will it kill the GOP? This melodrama has gone on much too long.
Petraeus was not keeping information from the public to protect the President. And he was under investigation for matters unrelated to the affair–but yes that was the convenient reason to let him go.
The CIA compound immediately next to the consulate had more than enough resources to handle the security situation next door. They were very slow to respond.
The intelligence community assessment is “…changes were made to protect classified information.”
There may be something more to the Benghazi narrative, it seems to me, and some Republicans may know what it is but if they are still happy to let the usual suspects gnaw away at it like a dog with a bone they are playing a risky game.
Ramsey’s 911 call is epic:
You know, I had all the same feelings about Charles Ramsey as The Field Negro.
I did not like his comment about knowing something was wrong when a white girl embraced a black man, although his delivery was hilarious.
I also felt a little uncomfortable about how funny I found his stereotypical talk of ribs and McDonalds and so on.
But the bottom line is that Mr. Ramsey was funny as hell, not least of which for his common sense wisdom.
Disagree, at least as respects normal people who are paying attention to politics. Anyone who lived through the 90s OR Obama’s first term should be fully aware by now that the GOP will shamelessly politicize ANY issue if they think there is advantage to be had.
Right.
So, when the president said the next day that we had been “attacked” and that it was “an act of terror,” he should have anticipated that he would be accused of not admitting that we had been attacked by terrorists?
And when the Intelligence Committee went with the story that the YouTube was responsible for arousing a protest in Benghazi as it had the same day in Cairo, they should have anticipated that it mattered because it makes a fucking difference either way?
They could tell the intelligence committees information not shared with the public, but no one on the Republican side would stand up to their colleagues and tell them that sources and methods were being protected?
Between the irrational and the just plain vindictive, it’s hard to even imagine the shit the Republicans will come up with.
They did at least anticipate that Jason Chaffetz was leading a delegation that was trolling for info to use in the campaign and made sure a State Department lawyer was present to prevent ratfucking.
Freedom fighters, militants, extremists, jihadists, muhajideen, Al-Nusra, Anwar Al-Sharia, Al-Qaeda, 17th February Martyrs Brigade.
US foreign policy giving support to extremists/jihadists of Wahhabi fundamental Islam in Afghanistan/Pakistan, Chechnya, Bosnia, Libya and now in Syria. CIA covert action by sending arms funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar with plane transport by Turkey. A number of the Saudi 9/11 terrorists were veterans of the war in Chechnya, still wondering why the jihadists are a global terror threat? The Boston Marathon bombing can be no surprise unless US Congress and the American people are just plain morons about their own policy.
Why are the Americans enabling theocracies in the Middle-East where the minorities are slaughtered and there will be no democracy or religious freedom?
A good read – How Saudi petrodollars fuel rise of Salafism.
OK, once again, I will point out a fact that you have never, ever been able to refute, despite your continual repetition of the same demonstrated falsehood:
The US is actively working to prevent the Saudi and Qatari arms from getting to jihadist groups, and to steer them towards other groups. This has been the central element of American policy towards the Syrian revolution for two years.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/middleeast/cia-said-to-aid-in-steering-arms-to-syrian-rebels
.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
The C.I.A. officers have been in southern Turkey for several weeks, in part to help keep weapons out of the hands of fighters allied with Al Qaeda or other terrorist groups, one senior American official said. The Obama administration has said it is not providing arms to the rebels, but it has also acknowledged that Syria’s neighbors would do so.
Apparently, American policy towards Syria is so bullet-proof that you have to make up facts that are 180 degrees from reality in order to come up with something to complain about.
“The US is actively working to prevent the Saudi and Qatari arms from getting to jihadist groups, and to steer them towards other groups.” But this is largely aspirational:
I recall reading elsewhere that GPS tracking devices were placed on the trucks delivering these arms in an attempt to trace their destination; which seems to imply concerns in this area. But from the link Alexander’s recent post the US is losing this battle:
Hmmm… Sounds like somebody is getting the goods to the al-Nusra faction. It can only be the Saudis and the Gulf states footing the bill, no? Our good friends in the region.
But this is largely aspirational
It sure is. We don’t run things along the Turkish/Syrian border, and oil-rich Middle Eastern states in the 21st century don’t take marching orders the way desperately poor Central American states did in the early-to-mid 20th. Still, that has been what we’re trying to do.
It’s common to see people on the left describe countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, or the Emirates as American puppet states, but it really doesn’t seem to work that way anymore. Now our “puppet” Malaki has all but joined the Iranian/Assad faction.
Being a superpower ain’t what it used to be.
Our puppets ain’t what they used to be and American hegemony is no longer our sharpest tool. In many ways I consider this a blessing, looking forward; assuming we can reconcile ourselves to playing a longer, subtler game.
U.S. Designates Syrian Al Nusra Front as Terrorist Group
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/world/middleeast/us-designates-syrian-al-nusra-front-as-terrorist-
group.html
It is now a federal felony – due to the actions taken by the administration- to provide any assistance to the people that Oui continues to pretend the administration is assisting.
In an effort to sideline the jihadist factions, the U.S. supported the formation of the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition forces, which:
But, then, the Syrian government’s propaganda arm refers to the entire opposition as “jihadist terrorists,” and Oui is happy to use this web site as a means of spreading the fascist dictator’s propaganda, hoping that the readership will be sufficiently Islamaphobic as to conclude that “all those people look alike,” so they must all be terrorists.
“Oui is happy to use this web site as a means of spreading the fascist dictator’s propaganda …”
Pretty desperate move Joe with this utter bs of yours. You just lost all credibility.
Right, I’m sure that your opinion of my credibility is the final word on the matter – especially after this little demonstration of your relationship with the facts.
Any time you’d care to put up evidence to refute a single word I wrote, feel free. I couldn’t help but notice that you didn’t do that. You were saying something about credibility?
Keep on mouthing Assad’s propaganda, you big fascist repeater station, you. Keep on proclaiming that anyone who takes up arms against the Syrian state is a terrorist, like your hero Assad. Maybe no one will notice if you make up another new rule about which accurate descriptions of your activity people are allowed to use.
Here are some examples of Oui’s source material:
“The Army Continues Crackdown on Terrorist Groups”
http://sana.sy/eng/337/2013/05/02/480277.htm
“Terrorists Suffer Heavy Losses Under the Army’s Strikes”
http://sana.sy/eng/21/2013/05/03/480450.htm
“Army Units Continue Chasing Armed Terrorist Groups, Crush Their Hideouts”
http://sana.sy/eng/337/2013/05/05/480650.htm
Oh, and here’s a source that I seem to remember Oui linking to before, repeating word-for-word the first story I provided from the Syrian Arab News Agency, but with the headline “Syrian Army Eliminates American Backed Terrorists”
http://fondation-princesse-de-croy.skynetblogs.be/archive/2013/05/02/syrian-army-eliminates-american
-backed-terrorists.html
Pro-tip: when a political activist describes an attack as “desperate,” it means the attack scored. This repugnant human being is repeating propaganda from a fascist dictator’s government news agency.
So if I’m reading this right, Oui and one of her buddies are now troll-rating comments that provide links she’d prefer people not see.
Wow, my credibility sure is taking a beating.
Mon Dieu – so Oui is a woman. Quelle insulte, ma soeur!
Bosh. They had a good reason not to go public with the detail of what they knew or how they knew it.
But they did not have a good reason to join the global Muslim propaganda cover-up, helping hide popular celebrations of the attacks of 9/11/01 and a planned al-Qaeda attack behind bullshit about some stupid internet video setting off the Muslims, again.
They did not have to do that and it is shameful that they did it.