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    The bottom line is I don't give a damn if torture works or not - if our civilization stoops so…
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    • We invaded and by the very nature of dropping bombs we targeted innocent civilians - is there honor in that?…
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    • Do you ever ask why?  Why are people fighting in the resistance, why did 911 happen and so on.  Do…
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    • They can say what they like, those who listen to right wing propaganda are not going to challenge them.  This…
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    • Sure there is hope, that is until we turn into a nuclear wasteland... We do outnumber the powerful, but we…
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    • Thanks, to the two of you, and for all the links.
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    • It does capture attention, and you don't give the impression of advocating this - as a matter of fact your…
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    • Small world.  Not nearly enough these days - before every 2-3 years.  Haven't been there since we started our own…
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    • That's really the only point I was trying to make.  We are left here leaning anyway - which basically excludes…
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    • Nice work!
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    • touché ... but we could get into the fine lines between conversation, discussion and argument...
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    • I was out the door when I noticed this - but I do have much good to say.  - very…
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    • I'm not really arguing with you.  To me not killing civilians is an absolute too, but not in a discussion…
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    • China is unbelievable, but I just can't shake those ducks - can't they put them to sleep first, or something?
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    • If you take torture for instance, that can have many different meanings to different people.  There was this picture yesterday…
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    • Yes men do tend to like that fashion, I must say it appears a tad uncomfortable. Yes all over the…
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    • in Europe it was sheep, you were saying left wing farm girls...? ( like Katherine the Great -  stallions -…
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    • As long as you're not a right winger....?
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    • We should open a right wing museum starting with this: Bizarre Sex Habits of The Extreme Right-Wing Last night, anti-abortion…
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    • More hopeful than Plato - a dictator could be benevolent(?).  But then, if you're democratically elected, and benevolent, there's a…
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